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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 13:59
 

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!! (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Here we go guys!! Just released hot off the press. Thoughts?

RepliCel Releases Positive Results from the Interim Analysis of Data from its First-in-man TS001-2009 Clinical Trial

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/replicel-releases-positive-results-interim-123000737.html




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 14:03

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Thoughts?

Sure - exactly the BS I expected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The efficacy of injections of autologous DSCC in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia was assessed through measurements of hair growth for those patients treated according to the protocol (16 patients). (Note that 3 patients were removed from this analysis because their injection products were shipped outside of the temperature range stated in the protocol). Relative to measurements taken prior to injection (baseline), the total hair density (the total number of hairs in a given area per cm2) at sites injected with autologous DSCC increased 6.1%. Vellus hair (small/intermediate sized-hair: approximately 10-40um thick) density and terminal hair (thick hair) density increased by 12.5% and 3.2%, respectively. Cumulative hair thickness per area (an estimate of scalp hair coverage; the sum of thickness of all hair diameters in a given area per cm2) also improved (by 4.3%) at DSCC-injected treatment sites relative to baseline measurements.
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[image]




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 14:04

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Here we go guys!! Just released hot off the press. Thoughts?
»
» RepliCel Releases Positive Results from the Interim Analysis of Data from
» its First-in-man TS001-2009 Clinical Trial
»
» http://finance.yahoo.com/news/replicel-releases-positive-results-interim-123000737.html

Very disappointing.




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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 14:09
(edited by GoneWithTheHair, 02.05.2012, 14:44)

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

On first glance and thought the percentages dont seem that fantastic but if its cumulative and further phases tweak it i guess its really good. But it works thats the main thing.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 14:13

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Yeh im not sure about those precentages...

This is also something I expected. :-D




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 14:15

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Yeh im not sure about those precentages... It doesnt seem that fantastic
» but if its cumulative i guess its really good. But it works thats the main
» thing
»
» * the total hair density at sites injected with autologous DSCC increased
» 6.1%
»
» * Vellus hair density and terminal hair density increased by 12.5% and
» 3.2%, respectively.
»
» * Cumulative hair thickness per area (an estimate of scalp hair coverage;
» the sum of thickness of all hair diameters in a given area per cm2) also
» improved (by 4.3%) at DSCC-injected treatment sites relative to baseline
» measurements.

Ya no doubt better than nothing. But nothing I would spend more than like $500 on, but if it was out today I would no doubt go out and get it for that price.




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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 14:20
(edited by GoneWithTheHair, 02.05.2012, 14:45)

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Nobody's head exploded which is great.

This is positive news and theyre going to phase two so consider this a win folks.

12% thickness increase in vellous is fairly decent.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 14:21

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Ya no doubt better than nothing. But nothing I would spend more than like
» $500 on, but if it was out today I would no doubt go out and get it for
» that price.

No, I wouldn't do this. For $500, I would rather buy 100 real funtional, thick, long, pigmented and PERMANENT hairs in the Netherlands - without any big loss in my donor area. This is NO JOKE!




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 14:23

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » Ya no doubt better than nothing. But nothing I would spend more than
» like
» » $500 on, but if it was out today I would no doubt go out and get it for
» » that price.
»
» No, I wouldn't do this. For $500, I would rather buy 100 real funtional,
» thick, long and pigmented hairs in the Netherlands - without any big loss
» in my donor area. This is NO JOKE!

If I was in Europe I would do the same. Unfortunately $1000 flights makes such endeavors unrealistic. This is why we must push HT docs to adopt HST.




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MikadoMan

02.05.2012, 14:31

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » » Ya no doubt better than nothing. But nothing I would spend more than
» » like
» » » $500 on, but if it was out today I would no doubt go out and get it
» for
» » » that price.
» »
» » No, I wouldn't do this. For $500, I would rather buy 100 real funtional,
» » thick, long and pigmented hairs in the Netherlands - without any big
» loss
» » in my donor area. This is NO JOKE!
»
» If I was in Europe I would do the same. Unfortunately $1000 flights makes
» such endeavors unrealistic. This is why we must push HT docs to adopt HST.

THANK YOU

Finally, finally someone really said the truth, no speculations, no cryng, just how it is

What Replicel present here is well not even on par with what Ari or Histogen have shown so far, and THOSE two are not THAT awesome




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Data

02.05.2012, 14:36

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.




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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 14:38

@ Data

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.

That indicates new growth though or revived follicles




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Post reply
Willy

02.05.2012, 14:38

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

They are moving forward and that is a positive. I'm not sure what to think about the percentages.....weren't these safety trials?? I would think that they would work on efficacy in the next trial. We will see. AFTER READING SOME OF THE POSTS HERE.............IT REALLY SEEMS AS THOUGH SOME PEOPLE HAVE AN AGENDA!!




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 14:43

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

But what these results don't show is if Replicel can "immunize" follicles or at least prolong them. I believe that aspect warrants further investigation.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 14:43

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Here we go guys!! Just released hot off the press. Thoughts?
»
» RepliCel Releases Positive Results from the Interim Analysis of Data from
» its First-in-man TS001-2009 Clinical Trial
»
» http://finance.yahoo.com/news/replicel-releases-positive-results-interim-123000737.html

It doesn't sound too hot, but I'm glad to hear Replicel's confident in further trials. The real concern's whether or not they're able to achieve optimum dosing during PII. That also seems to be a major hurdle for Aderans.




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 14:45

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
»
» That indicates new growth though or revived follicles

Better than nothing, but it's nothing that is going to stop me from getting on Propecia in the next few months.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 14:48

@ Willy

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

posted by Willy, 02.05.2012, 09:38

They are moving forward and that is a positive. I'm not sure what to think about the percentages.....weren't these safety trials?? I would think that they would work on efficacy in the next trial. We will see. AFTER READING SOME OF THE POSTS HERE.............IT REALLY SEEMS AS THOUGH SOME PEOPLE HAVE AN AGENDA!!


Isn't that the truth.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 14:50
(edited by Iron_Man, 02.05.2012, 15:34)

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » Thoughts?
» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
» The efficacy of injections of autologous DSCC in the treatment of
» androgenetic alopecia was assessed through measurements of hair growth for
» those patients treated according to the protocol (16 patients). (Note that
» 3 patients were removed from this analysis because their injection products
» were shipped outside of the temperature range stated in the protocol).
» Relative to measurements taken prior to injection (baseline), the total
» hair density (the total number of hairs in a given area per cm2) at sites
» injected with autologous DSCC increased 6.1%. Vellus hair
» (small/intermediate sized-hair:
approximately 10-40um thick) density and
» terminal hair (thick hair) density increased by 12.5% and 3.2%,
» respectively. Cumulative hair thickness per area (an estimate of scalp hair
» coverage; the sum of thickness of all hair diameters in a given area per
» cm2) also improved (by 4.3%) at DSCC-injected treatment sites relative to
» baseline measurements.
» <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Guys, we shouldn't quarrel about who was right or who was wrong - it makes no sense.
From a scientific point of view, Dr. Colin Jahoda (the real inventor of Replicel's procedure) was right all along:
[image]
Neither the Replicel guys themselves (according to their paper in 2003) nor Dr. Jahoda (response paper in 2003) - both are right: There is basically NO DIFFERENCE between the DP cell compartment and the DSC cell compartment concerning the effectiveness. In other words, these initial clinical trail findings by the Replicel guys - just represent "Intercytex results" - nothing more, nothing less. And they FAILED also in phase II trails. In my opinion, the Replicel guys should rather do what Jahoda suggests - more RESEARCH is necessary. But the latter costs TIME and MONEY.




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Ahab

02.05.2012, 15:05

@ GoneWithTheHair

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
»
» That indicates new growth though or revived follicles

Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal and periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in another month or two anyway.




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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 15:09

@ Ahab

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal and
» periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in another
» month or two anyway.


argh never thought of it that way hehe.

I actually dont know what to make of these results.




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Data

02.05.2012, 15:10

@ Ahab

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
» »
» » That indicates new growth though or revived follicles
»
» Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal and
» periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in another
» month or two anyway.

Yup. In fact, they themselves report that the placebo treated areas yielded an over 5% increase in 37% of the cases. Surely the placebo doesn't generate new follicles and neither does it revive the old ones?




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GoneWithTheHair

Australia,
02.05.2012, 15:13

@ Data

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Yup. In fact, they themselves report that the placebo treated areas yielded
» an over 5% increase in 37% of the cases. Surely the placebo doesn't
» generate new follicles and neither does it revive the old ones?

Yes that concerned me too.

Also,

(Note that 3 patients were removed from this analysis because their injection products were shipped outside of the temperature range stated in the protocol).

Could these be non responders.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 15:14

@ Ahab

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
» »
» » That indicates new growth though or revived follicles
»
» Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal and
» periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in another
» month or two anyway.

Exactly Ahab. If they injected the stuff into "hairy" areas - you can get such results WITH or WITHOUT injecting any stuff after 6 month. Furthermore, I noticed from my own analysis with the gc-photos (the patient who got HST), that the (regrown) hairs and whole hairy area, from DAY to DAY always -of course- appear DIFFERENT. This means, just with 1 baseline photo and just with 1 after six month (macro)photo - there is ALWAYS a difference - with a treatment or without a treatment - and especially for an electronic tool like the TrichoScan device.

At least one thing is for sure - they couldn't reproduce their mouse results from 2003 - THAT'S for sure. Humans are NOT mice!




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georgex6

GREECE ATHENS,
02.05.2012, 15:34

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » » » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
» » »
» » » That indicates new growth though or revived follicles
» »
» » Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal
» and
» » periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in
» another
» » month or two anyway.
»
» Exactly Ahab. If they injected the stuff into "hairy" areas - you can get
» such results WITH or WITHOUT injecting any stuff after 6 month.
» Furthermore, I noticed from my own analysis with the gc-photos (the patient
» who got HST), that the (regrown) hairs and whole hairy area, from DAY to
» DAY always -of course- appear DIFFERENT. This means, just with 1 baseline
» photo and just with 1 after six month (macro)photo - there is ALWAYS a
» difference - with a treatment or without a treatment - and especially for
» an electronic tool like the TrichoScan device.
»
» At least one thing is for sure - they couldn't reproduce their mouse
» results from 2003 - THAT'S for sure. Humans are NOT mice!

EXACTLY WE HAVE TO SEE PHOTOS, and stats, how many doses? what number? did they injected into hairy areas?or bald? and why they didn injected on bald areas to see the diference without trichoscan? many questions this is very confusing and disappointing i hope to see more at the meeting of the European Hair Research Society




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 15:39

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
» Relative to measurements taken prior to injection (baseline), the total
» hair density (the total number of hairs in a given area per cm2) at sites
» injected with autologous DSCC increased 6.1%. Vellus hair
» (small/intermediate sized-hair: approximately 10-40um thick) density and
» terminal hair (thick hair) density increased by 12.5% and 3.2%,
» respectively.
» <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

In other words:
VELLUS hairs increased by 12.5% (what is bullcrap anyhow)
TERMINAL hairs increased by 3.2% (what is big BS anyhow)

This means, IF you have in a given area 100 terminal hairs ... +3.2% = 3 terminal hairs more in this area - best case, of course.

Just for the record.




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baldlatino34

02.05.2012, 15:43

@ rev

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Good bye jarjarbinx. it has an excellent life in another forum. CONGRATULATIONS iron man...you were certain on replicel.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 15:43

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

In other words:
THIS WAS A SAFETY TRIAL

Just for the record.


» In other words:
» VELLUS hairs increased by 12.5% (what is bullcrap anyhow)
» TERMINAL hairs increased by 3.2% (what is big BS anyhow)
»
» Just for the record.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 15:46

@ rev

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» In other words:
» THIS WAS A SAFETY TRIAL
»
» Just for the record.

No, they ALWAYS clearly mentioned in interviews etc, that this phase I trail was ALSO designed to measure EFFECTIVENESS and therefore injected the stuff accordingly!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
EQ: The company’s first-in-man, Phase I/IIa clinical trial was started in December 2010, and the last patient was injected in August 2011. What’s next for RepliCel in this trial, and what are you hoping to see in the results?

Hoffmann: Phase I trials are about safety, so a successful trial is, of course, about safety. Most people on the outside are not interested in safety; they’re interested in hair growth. For the regulators, the first thing we must prove is that it’s safe. A successful trial will prove that it’s completely safe, with no adverse effects like ganuloma or tumor formations. A very successful trial would mean we see more hair growth at the levels we would expect to see in a patient treated with Rogaine®. So, a range of 10 percent to 15 percent more hairs per centimeter square is what we would define as very successful. If we see even more hairs than what is expected from finasteride (Propecia®) treatments, then we’d be very, very happy. So first of all, it’s a safety treatment. But secondary, we are also looking for hair density and more parameters linked to efficacy.

http://editorial.equities.com/spotlight-companies/rolf-hoffmann-chief-medical-officer-replicel-life-sciences/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<

According to this - the phase I trail was a complete FAILURE!

Or is there someone -besides rev- who likes a few more VELLUS hairs on his bald head? :-D




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 15:53

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » In other words:
» » THIS WAS A SAFETY TRIAL
» »
» » Just for the record.
»
» No, they ALWAYS clearly mentioned in interviews etc, that this phase I
» trail was ALSO designed to measure EFFECTIVENESS and therefore injected the
» stuff accordingly!

No, nobody's going to test EFFECTIVENESS on something as varying as hairloss on a mere 19 subjects. PI's generally understood by most to be a safety trial. Most people except you that is.




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needhairasap

02.05.2012, 15:58

@ rev

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» It doesn't sound too hot, but I'm glad to hear Replicel's confident in
» further trials.



....... as if they'd just go out of business? they'll suck funding and stay in business as long as possible and it has nothing to do with their "confidence"


this sh*t is over. i bet Gho's email server crashed this morning from all the incoming mail





were really going to act like the MASSIVE DELAY in the release and the OBVIOUSLY SH*TTY RESULTS are just a coincidence?


ya... they're real confident... so confident they waited until after they released their annual report to explain their failure




Im honestly worried for 2020.... i hope that guy hasn't killed himself




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hairman2

02.05.2012, 16:09

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
» » Relative to measurements taken prior to injection (baseline), the total
» » hair density (the total number of hairs in a given area per cm2) at
» sites
» » injected with autologous DSCC increased 6.1%. Vellus
» hair

» » (small/intermediate sized-hair: approximately 10-40um thick) density and
» » terminal hair (thick hair) density increased
» by 12.5% and 3.2%,
» » respectively.
» » <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
»
» In other words:
» VELLUS hairs increased by 12.5% (what is bullcrap anyhow)
» TERMINAL hairs increased by 3.2% (what is big BS anyhow)
»
» This means, IF you have in a given area 100 terminal hairs ... +3.2% = 3
» terminal hairs
more in this area - best case, of course.
»
» Just for the record.

3.2% is not the best case, but overall average.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 16:16

@ needhairasap

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» this sh*t is over. i bet Gho's email server crashed this morning from all
» the incoming mail

Sad part is that Gho's proven less than Replicel, and yet people are flocking to him.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 16:18

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
» » Relative to measurements taken prior to injection (baseline), the total
» » hair density (the total number of hairs in a given area per cm2) at
» sites
» » injected with autologous DSCC increased 6.1%. Vellus
» hair

» » (small/intermediate sized-hair: approximately 10-40um thick) density and
» » terminal hair (thick hair) density increased
» by 12.5% and 3.2%,
» » respectively.
» » <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
»
» In other words:
» VELLUS hairs increased by 12.5% (what is bullcrap anyhow)
» TERMINAL hairs increased by 3.2% (what is big BS anyhow)
»
» This means, IF you have in a given area 100 terminal hairs ... +3.2% = 3
» terminal hairs
more in this area - best case, of course.
»
» Just for the record.
[image]
... and not even the more advanced ARI guys are able to show us -in comparison- a normal photo (=the truth) with nicely hair growth on a normal person's head!




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 16:20

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Jesus, if RepliCel did their analysis anything like the way ARI did, then RepliCel's results are downright scary bad.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 16:26

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Jesus, if RepliCel did their analysis anything like the way ARI did, then
» RepliCel's results are downright scary bad.

Could you please be so kind and report us what the Replicel guys reported concerning the PLACEBO sites (results), I mean what happened in the placebo sites?




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
02.05.2012, 16:36

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

I don't see how anybody can view these results as anything other than disappointing at best. :-|




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ccmethinning

02.05.2012, 16:39

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » Jesus, if RepliCel did their analysis anything like the way ARI did,
» then
» » RepliCel's results are downright scary bad.
»
» Could you please be so kind and report us what the Replicel guys reported
» concerning the PLACEBO sites (results), I mean what happened in the
» placebo sites?

They reported 37% success in the placebo area. The whole situation is really a disaster.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 16:59

@ Ahab

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » » 3.2% increase in terminal hairs? Oh boy.
» »
» » That indicates new growth though or revived follicles
»
» Or it could mean it woke up early a few of the follicles in the normal and
» periodic resting stage, which would have awakened on their own in another
» month or two anyway.

Good point.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 17:09

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » Could you please be so kind and report us what the Replicel guys
» reported
» » concerning the PLACEBO sites (results), I mean what happened in
» the
» » placebo sites?
»
» They reported 37% success in the placebo area. The whole situation is
» really a disaster.

It seems these scientists from India are totally right also!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21188016

Check out the photos plus notes below the abstract!

To me appears that it happend actually nothing after six month - zero, zilch, nada effect. At least any effect of the injected stuff is extremely hard to prove, detect, discover, measure at all. But again, one thing is for sure: there is practically no clear evidence that something happend at all after six month from the injected stuff concerning effectiveness.




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moopookoo

02.05.2012, 17:31

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Can we get treated by PLACEBO? 37% not too bad...


Guys forget abt replicel, it will work on day in the future, we all gonna be too old..focus on HST, its here NOW, with hst every bald man can have 10 000 grafts transplanted, that shd be enough for nw6s.All you need is $$$ and time.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 17:52

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» From a scientific point of view, Dr. Colin Jahoda (the real inventor of
» Replicel's procedure) was right all along:
» [image]
» Neither the Replicel guys themselves (according to their paper in 2003) nor
» Dr. Jahoda (response paper in 2003) - both are right: There is
» basically NO DIFFERENCE between the DP cell compartment and the DSC
» cell compartment concerning the effectiveness. In other words, these
» initial clinical trail findings by the Replicel guys - just represent
» "Intercytex results" - nothing more, nothing less. And they FAILED also in
» phase II trails. In my opinion, the Replicel guys should rather do what
» Jahoda suggests - more RESEARCH is necessary. But the latter costs TIME and
» MONEY.

There is another problem:
From a scientific point of view (according to papers etc), Cotsarelis is also "wrong", because the still existing epithelial/epidermal cells (CK15 etc) in bald heads/areas he found and hyped, DO NOT properly interact anymore (as actually expected by the Replicel guys) with "healthy" and fresh injected mesenchymal cells ( "inducer cells" ) derived from the permanent donor area . This suggests once again (as suggested anyhow since years by other scientists) that any injections of just "cell-based-solutions" is a tricky thing for AGA patients.
And now what? Increasing just the cell-number (injections of a lot more DSC cells), makes no sense either, as suggested/expected by Jahoda.




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rev

your nightmares,
02.05.2012, 18:04
(edited by rev, 02.05.2012, 18:42)

@ moopookoo

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Can we get treated by PLACEBO? 37% not too bad...
»
»
» Guys forget abt replicel, it will work on day in the future, we all gonna
» be too old..focus on HST, its here NOW, with hst every bald man can have 10
» 000 grafts transplanted, that shd be enough for nw6s.All you need is $$$
» and time.

And where's the proof it works?

If you're suggesting that I should spend 6 figures and devote the rest of my life towards a treatment recommended by some lunatic (iron_man & co.) on some crappy forum than I think I'll have to take a pass.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 18:17

@ rev

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» » Can we get treated by PLACEBO? 37% not too bad...
» »
» »
» » Guys forget abt replicel, it will work on day in the future, we all
» gonna
» » be too old..focus on HST, its here NOW, with hst every bald man can have
» » 10000 grafts transplanted, that shd be enough for nw6s. All you need is $$$
» » and time.
»
» And where's the proof it works?

Terminal hairs grow nicely in the recipient site …
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day24-1.jpg

Terminal hairs (re)grow nicely also in the extraction site…
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/day-15-marked-reference-area.jpg
(click in the pics to enlarge them)

This IS a glass clear proof!

rev,
not everybody out there can have 10 Ferraris in his garage or every day a new Angelina Jolie. Or in other words - no penis out there can be so hard like the live sometimes can be ... :-|




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ven

E-mail

02.05.2012, 18:27

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Thanks to whosoever posted this. I think whats happened is exactly what Hoffman himself pointed to and we should be aware of it.

"1Hoffmann: Phase I trials are about safety, so a successful trial is, of course, about safety. Most people on the outside are not interested in safety; they’re interested in hair growth. For the regulators, the first thing we must prove is that it’s safe. A successful trial will prove that it’s completely safe, with no adverse effects like ganuloma or tumor formations.

2.A very successful trial would mean we see more hair growth at the levels we would expect to see in a patient treated with Rogaine®. So, a range of 10 percent to 15 percent more hairs per centimeter square is what we would define as very successful. If we see even more hairs than what is expected from finasteride (Propecia®) treatments, then we’d be very, very happy. So first of all, it’s a safety treatment. But secondary, we are also looking for hair density and more parameters linked to efficacy."

By the above points stated by the company itself - check point 1, Replicel is successful, not very successful as some equivalent to Rogaine would have been even though the trial was around safety primarily and not efficacy.

Their main intent was to check about safety. Note Hoffman himself says "Most people on the outside are not interested in safety; they’re interested in hair growth. For the regulators, the first thing we must prove is that it’s safe. A successful trial will prove that it’s completely safe, with no adverse effects like ganuloma or tumor formations."

They have achieved the safety aspect but what he said about people on the outside, i.e all of us, is so on the mark.

Unfortunately, thats whats happened. We on the outside are very concerned about success and safety, whereas Replicel, to go ahead and not crash and burn, if the trials were unsafe, they would have been stopped right then and there.

Unfortunately, we will have to now wait for Phase 2 trials to see how the efficacy results and what they achieve. We all wished for a magical result which would somehow get efficacy and safety, all in onem but that was unlikely to happen.

Isn't that a story we are used to by now? Propecia - but causes such serious sides. Minox, but doesnt stop hair loss, plus sides then FUE but requires donor..FUT but requires donor and scars...BHT..too expensive and less effective..

I mean, if there is one thing we should have learnt by now, its all about patience. To those lucky enough to use Propecia, good luck. The rest of us are a bit more desparate for quick results.




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Hanibal

02.05.2012, 18:33

@ GoneWithTheHair

It’s a failure

3.2% - 4.3% growth increase - that’s nothing.
As far as I remember they had been targeting for moderate 20% . So they must be bitterly disappointed. Obviously they can’t tell this in their resume because it would mean suicide for the company.
I almost guarantee that they won’t proceed with second phase because I can’t see anyone putting a penny in 3.2 % growth. Plus, even if they do that, subsequent stages of desperate development gonna drag forever until they squeeze out that familiar excuse – due to lack of funds…
Basically it’s another intercytex story unravelling in front of our eyes.
You can’t go from 3.2 % to 50% - 60% numbers, that’s what required in order to be approved by fda.




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Iron_Man

02.05.2012, 18:37

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» rev,
» not everybody out there can have 10 Ferraris in his garage or every day a
» new Angelina Jolie. Or in other words - no penis out there can be so hard
» like the live sometimes can be ... :-|

rev,
http://www.replicel.com/wp-content/uploads/Implanted-SCID-Mice_PONGED-655x426.png

where are the thicker and longer hair photos on humans?

Or do you think Replicel should rather inject the DSC cells into your ears?
[image]




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MikadoMan

02.05.2012, 19:04

@ Iron_Man

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

Well to put it easy and i think nobody read ironmans statetement. Here is the essential thing


AS LONG AS YOU ONLY INJECT LOOSE CELLS ITS NOTHING YOU NEED TISSUE .....TISSUE LIKE IN HMMM THE INTERACTING CELLS AT THE HAIR BULB

If Replicel would have used the correct scaffold matrix (tissue) then the hair cound would be around 70% forever but they choose to go the easy way.

I bet 10.000 dollars that the japanese guys were inspired by Ghos HST and they will have something in the next years marketable.

Btw ironman never said that hm wont work in your life time, all he said was

It wont work if done wrong

And for strange reasons all those companies dont care about the connective tissue.

Example? Ok here we go, assume this artificial skin cannon and additionally the approch like the japanese gus did, naaaaaaa is anyone still listening and did it make CLICK?

thats the reason why Gho works the way it does, he is literally transplanting tissue and not follicles per se, he is just transplanting tissue.

Btw here another one to chew one

If Gho wuld just transplant tissue, even without a follicle in it, like in extract all spaces between follicles, he could use this japanese cell mix, inject it in those "meaty" stences and cultivate them in the lab and well after some time they would create follicles ready to harvest.

So guy please for the last time, after all those cell only failures and japanese guys showing and leading the way, can we now please all work together and bring HST in as the golden standard i mean diamond standard?




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ven

E-mail

02.05.2012, 19:09

@ Hanibal

It’s a failure

» 3.2% - 4.3% growth increase - that’s nothing.
» As far as I remember they had been targeting for moderate 20% . So they
» must be bitterly disappointed. Obviously they can’t tell this in their
» resume because it would mean suicide for the company.
» I almost guarantee that they won’t proceed with second phase because I
» can’t see anyone putting a penny in 3.2 % growth. Plus, even if they do
» that, subsequent stages of desperate development gonna drag forever until
» they squeeze out that familiar excuse – due to lack of funds…
» Basically it’s another intercytex story unravelling in front of our eyes.
» You can’t go from 3.2 % to 50% - 60% numbers, that’s what required in
» order to be approved by fda.

I dont think they were targeting 20% - at least its not clear from their prior statements. They have been all along very cautious about expected growth - with "very successful" being a Rogaine equivalent without the sides and need to constantly apply it. So they aimed for modest results, i.e. no sides and have achieved it. Plus, they already have funding lined up and secured for Phase 2, plus they have already started canvassing for candidates for Phase 2, so its going ahead. I totally agree 3.2% will not translate to cosmetically acceptable results, but then again, Phase 1 was about safety not efficacy. So I think its Phase 2 that will decide whats going to happen.

If Phase 2 is a cropper, then yes, the company has basically not been successful.




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moawk

Germany,
02.05.2012, 21:39

@ ven

It’s a failure

I'm at work now but I would quote myself later. I predicted this happening, you guys hanging to the last straw of the most BS result ever seen in the history of cell therapies.

1. predicted the stock going up to 2.7 and crashing after results
2. predicted the announcement or "something" coming on friday
3. Predicted the results except for women
4. predicted the behavior of people here after results
5 predicted people here will hang to the results for at least 3 years.

Next prediction;

1. rev and others will continously bash on Gho despite them knowing exactly that this has POTENTIAL. Unfortunately him and others will slow down our purposes and goals but at the end will benefit from them.

2. It will take 10 years for Gho to be widely accepted b/c above and the behavior of hair loss sufferers continues this way.


ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE MOAWKTRADAMU'S PREDICTION, ACT NOW, STOP THE FIGHTING, UNITE TOGETHER, DROP YOUR EGOS !!!!

NOBODY'S SAYIGN GHO IS THE CURE BUT IT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENT AT THIS POINT !!!!!!!!!!

LET IT COME TO FRUITION, DON'T DELAY THE UNEVITABLE WITH YOUR BEHAVIOR !


DROP YOUR EGOS !!!




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1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance.
2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers.
3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos.
4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia.
5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results.
6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012


[image]
- Moawk

Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth.
http://www.hasci.com

Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo.
http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html
Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future.


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JJJ Jr. S

02.05.2012, 21:58

@ ccmethinning

REPLICEL RESULTS ARE IN!!!!!!

» Better than nothing, but it's nothing that is going to stop me from getting
» on Propecia in the next few months.

I'd much rather have no hair than be impotent. Be careful and I'd encourage you to reconsider. From reading hair loss forums for years now, it's insane how many people report sexual side effects after being on that drug. Spend time and research it on your own.




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ven

E-mail

02.05.2012, 22:38

@ moawk

It’s a failure

» I'm at work now but I would quote myself later. I predicted this happening,
» you guys hanging to the last straw of the most BS result ever seen in the
» history of cell therapies.
»
» 1. predicted the stock going up to 2.7 and crashing after results
» 2. predicted the announcement or "something" coming on friday
» 3. Predicted the results except for women
» 4. predicted the behavior of people here after results
» 5 predicted people here will hang to the results for at least 3 years.
»
» Next prediction;
»
» 1. rev and others will continously bash on Gho despite them knowing exactly
» that this has POTENTIAL. Unfortunately him and others will slow down our
» purposes and goals but at the end will benefit from them.
»
» 2. It will take 10 years for Gho to be widely accepted b/c above and the
» behavior of hair loss sufferers continues this way.
»
»
» ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE MOAWKTRADAMU'S PREDICTION, ACT NOW, STOP THE FIGHTING,
» UNITE TOGETHER, DROP YOUR EGOS !!!!
»
» NOBODY'S SAYIGN GHO IS THE CURE BUT IT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENT AT
» THIS POINT !!!!!!!!!!
»
» LET IT COME TO FRUITION, DON'T DELAY THE UNEVITABLE WITH YOUR BEHAVIOR !
»
»
» DROP YOUR EGOS !!!


Problem is affordability and also for those with limited donor, its a risk. I wish he trains a dozen people, his tech is widely accepted and it can be accessed by us all. FUE with his level can surely help in quick healing, FUT with the staples etc is brutal.




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