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jarjarbinx

07.05.2012, 10:59
 

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

They're done.




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gutted2

07.05.2012, 11:13

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» They're done.

i agree, its possibly because of the fact they know thier competitors have something better than them to treat/cure baldness.

although, i suppose they werent totally useless, at least theyve made upregulation of pgd2 in balding scalps a scientific fact.




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MikadoMan

07.05.2012, 11:30

@ gutted2

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» » They're done.
»
» i agree, its possibly because of the fact they know thier competitors have
» something better than them to treat/cure baldness.
»
» although, i suppose they werent totally useless, at least theyve made
» upregulation of pgd2 in balding scalps a scientific fact.

God i am sick of jarjarbinks out of the as* threads thank god thats limited to this forum only




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Iron_Man

07.05.2012, 12:37

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» They're done.

Done? I thought they jumped the shark.




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jarjarbinx

07.05.2012, 13:26

@ MikadoMan

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» » » They're done.
» »
» » i agree, its possibly because of the fact they know thier competitors
» have
» » something better than them to treat/cure baldness.
» »
» » although, i suppose they werent totally useless, at least theyve made
» » upregulation of pgd2 in balding scalps a scientific fact.
»
» God i am sick of jarjarbinks out of the as* threads thank god thats limited
» to this forum only


Sick of my posts, are you? Then why do you keep reading them da?




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
07.05.2012, 18:23
(edited by roger_that, 07.05.2012, 18:54)

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Good point about this, I have noticed it too.

I think this company would have been more promising if anyone, including the company principals, could have clearly described what their treatment consisted of.

From the start they seemed to lack focus, i.e., Follica was one thing Monday and another thing altogether on Wednesday.

I know it had something to do with Wnt and, later, possibly, wounding, but they never clearly articulated exactly what the treatment was, how it would be tested, how it would be administered to patients, etc.

More than anything it seemed to be a kind of vague attempt to commercialize one of Dr. Cotsarelis' many discoveries, but without a concrete approach or a coherent plan.

They seemed to be making it up and changing the script as they went along. Everytime something new came out in the news, whatever became a "hot" topic or the flavor of the week, they would suddenly latch onto that. Wnt, growth factors, wounding, lithium, etc.

WHICH ONE WAS IT? Did they even know??! You can't build a successful company that way.




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KO

07.05.2012, 19:10

@ roger_that

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Follica had a coherent plan from the start, they explained it clearly, and that plan and scientific idea has also been explained to YOU multiple times on this very forum. They then executed that plan by doing a clinical trial, and we are awaiting next steps. That's it. There has been no confusion from their part, the only confused one here is you. I would say jarjarbinx is confused buy maybe he just jumped the shark.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
07.05.2012, 19:20

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Follica had a coherent plan from the start, they explained it clearly,
» and that plan and scientific idea has also been explained to YOU
» multiple times on this very forum. They then executed that plan by
» doing a clinical trial, and we are awaiting next steps. That's it. There
» has been no confusion from their part, the only confused one here is you. I
» would say jarjarbinx is confused buy maybe he just jumped the shark.

KO, it seemed to me that they kept adding to this "plan" as they went along.

When Follica first set up shop, they were initially talking about Wnt, as I recall. Not lithium. That and other stuff came later.

I'm pretty confident that you take a serious look at the trajectory of this "plan", you'll see a lot of detours and new stuff being added hastily as time went on, that's all. To me it's obvious, and is evidence of a very shaky set of ideas.

I'm surprised you haven't noticed this.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, i.e., where are they now? It seems they're nowhere. No product, no path to commercialization, nothing but a nice website and an advisory board of illustrious medical entrepreneurs in the Boston area.




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KO

07.05.2012, 19:44

@ roger_that

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

»
» KO, it seemed to me that they kept adding to this "plan" as they went
» along.
»
That's how research works. You know that.

» When Follica first set up shop, they were initially talking about Wnt, as I
» recall. Not lithium. That and other stuff came later.
»

LITHIUM IS A WNT MIMIC. Please read that statement over and over again. Then connect it back to their early research. The point of using litihum is that it gives them an off the shelf drug that easily mimics the process rather than injecting actual proteins in - which could get expensive to mass produce.

» I'm pretty confident that you take a serious look at the trajectory of this
» "plan", you'll see a lot of detours and new stuff being added hastily as
» time went on, that's all. To me it's obvious, and is evidence of a very
» shaky set of ideas.
»

I've followed Follica pretty closely, at least as well as you have, I don't see any problem with them. They seem like a very professional, first rate group of people.


» I'm surprised you haven't noticed this.
»
» The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, i.e., where are they now?
» It seems they're nowhere. No product, no path to commercialization,
» nothing but a nice website and an advisory board of illustrious medical
» entrepreneurs in the Boston area.

It takes years and years of research to get a product out. I personally don't expect anything out of Follica till the end of this decade. The fact that they actually had a clinical trial 3 yrs after their original paper is a testament to their speed. Compare that to Replicel.....




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jarjarbinx

07.05.2012, 21:45
(edited by jarjarbinx, 07.05.2012, 22:02)

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» »
» » KO, it seemed to me that they kept adding to this "plan" as they went
» » along.
» »
» That's how research works. You know that.
»
» » When Follica first set up shop, they were initially talking about Wnt, as
» I
» » recall. Not lithium. That and other stuff came later.
» »
»
» LITHIUM IS A WNT MIMIC. Please read that statement over and over again.
» Then connect it back to their early research. The point of using litihum is
» that it gives them an off the shelf drug that easily mimics the process
» rather than injecting actual proteins in - which could get expensive to
» mass produce.


Didn't IronMan prove Follica claims that WNT is meaningless anyway so what difference does it make? Follica wants to use lithium because lithium is a WNT MIMIC but Follica themselves proved that WNT is useless so WTF? Doesn't Follica's Lithium plans prove my, and Roger_that's, point that Follica doesn't really know what it's doing? They just assembled a talented medical team,bounced from theory to theory to theory, never really had a definitive plan, AND STILL DON'T.




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KO

07.05.2012, 21:59

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Follica does not claim that Wnt is useless, Wnt is one of the key pathways believed to result in HF neogenesis. Read the patent carefully.


You're a blathering idiot, try to read something before posting random drivel.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
07.05.2012, 22:09

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Follica doesn't really know what it's doing? They just assembled a
» talented medical team,bounced from theory to theory to theory,
» never really had a definitive plan,
» AND STILL DON'T.

Exactly, jarjar. That's the long and the short of it...




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jarjarbinx

07.05.2012, 22:12

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Follica does not claim that Wnt is useless, Wnt is one of the key pathways
» believed to result in HF neogenesis. Read the patent carefully.
»
»
» You're a blathering idiot, try to read something before posting random
» drivel.


Hey KO. I did not say that WNT is useless for growing hair. I said that Iron_man said it. I personally disagree with Iron_man, but that doesn't change one iota the fact that Iron_man cited evidence that WNT wouldn't be effective at growing hair in adult humans. Guess who Iron_man's source is. Guess who Iron_man cited as proof that WNT wouldn't grow hair in adult humans? Here, let me give you a clue:


F-O-L-L-I-C-A


OK, now take your one stab at the answer SFB.

I never said that WNT won't grow hair in adult humans; I said Iron_Man proved that Follica claims that WNT won't grow hair in adult humans.




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jarjarbinx

07.05.2012, 22:40

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Follica does not claim that Wnt is useless, Wnt is one of the key pathways
» believed to result in HF neogenesis. Read the patent carefully.
»
»
» You're a blathering idiot, try to read something before posting random
» drivel.


Hey SFB, you might want to go through the info in this link:


http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-89009-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html




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cal

07.05.2012, 22:50

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Follica has failed to provide us a steady stream of things to talk about. I don't see any evidence of failure other than that. They do seem to be throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, at least in the patenting sense. IMHO that does not bode particularly well.


Does their method work? I don't know.

I do know that a couple of cancer patients taking Gefitinib produced by far the best cases of regrowth that we know of. If anyone can explain what happened to them in a way that doesn't support the WNT signalling hypothesis, I would like to hear it. I recall even the Follica bashers have been stumped at coming up with any other explanation.


One thing that has always stuck out in my mind is that Daphne Zohar once refused to clarify whether they were working on MPB regrowth or some other hair-related trick (like maybe stopping unwanted hair growth for example.) I don't know how much or little to read into it because she has been so cryptic about everything she says in general.




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KO

07.05.2012, 23:10

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

»
» Hey SFB, you might want to go through the info in this link:
»
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-89009-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

I repeat, Follica does not say Wnt is useless. Wnt is the key pathway they're looking to activate. Read their claim over and over again, since reading is a weak point for you.

And I've read their patents multiple times, they DO NOT say that Wnt is useless. Cotsarelis's lab is the one that actually grew hair via the Wnt pathway. I repeat, you're still a blathering idiot.




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KO

07.05.2012, 23:11

@ cal

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

»
»
» One thing that has always stuck out in my mind is that Daphne Zohar once
» refused to clarify whether they were working on MPB regrowth or some other
» hair-related trick (like maybe stopping unwanted hair growth for example.)
» I don't know how much or little to read into it because she has been so
» cryptic about everything she says in general.

Their clinical trials done so far were for MPB.

Judging by the patents they've filed, it appears that they seem to think that the same process used for hair growth is going to be used for hair removal - keep in mind how facial hair reacts differently to androgens.




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Freddie555

08.05.2012, 01:26

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

I really don't know about Follica.

They have patented all kinds of stuff. From computer controlled hair wounding machines to slicing and dicing follicles to lithium to experiments on culturing & injecting cells like Replicel.

Everything and the kitchen sink has been patented. You gotta be in awe at a company that has experimented on well over 2000 mice.

Only 1 question remains - where are the results ?

Chronic Gho syndrome plagues this industry. Its where everything seems to be in place except it all turns out to be pie in the sky when the curtains are finally pulled back.




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jarjarbinx

08.05.2012, 01:42

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» »
» » Hey SFB, you might want to go through the info in this link:
» »
» »
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-89009-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» I repeat, Follica does not say Wnt is useless. Wnt is the key pathway
» they're looking to activate. Read their claim over and over again, since
» reading is a weak point for you.
»
» And I've read their patents multiple times, they DO NOT say that Wnt is
» useless. Cotsarelis's lab is the one that actually grew hair via the Wnt
» pathway. I repeat, you're still a blathering idiot.



Ah the sh!t-for-brains punk is all upset with me. Follica is kaput moron.

You have all kind of excuses for why Follica is silent. You say this and you say that. But what you aren't smart enough to figure out is that the real reason Follica is so quiet is that they don't know wtf they're doing, they don't know what's going on, and they have no idea what to do, so they don't know what to say. Those guys are taking a kitchen sink approach to hair loss. They don't know what to do to cure hair loss, they are still trying to figure out what it will take to cure hair loss, and they are still trying to figure out what causes hair loss.

They don't have a clue and you don't have a clue that they don't have a clue.

Pssttt, hey idiot, your saviors, Follica, they don't know which end's up. You've been living in a dream world Neo. The reason why Follica isn't talking is because they don't have a clue and they figure they'll look smarter if they say nothing rather than actually talk and give people the chance to figure out that theydon't know what's going on. Now do you get it?
You actually have to give them credit for that. It's kind of smart to just clam up when you don't have a clue so that is what they're doing. And they can always count on morons like you (no offense) to make up your own bs about how Follica has unlocked the secrets of hair growth because that's what morons do. Here's how the morons (again, no offense) process Follica's silence, "Follica isn't saying anything. That can only mean Follica has a cure for hair loss."

And no I'm not reading the entirety of Iron_man's links because I don't care what's inside those links. Clearly, the point Ironman is trying to make is that Follica is saying that WNT's do not hold promise for hair growth. That is Ironman's point, not mine. I was simply trying to make the point that ACCORDING TO IRONMAN Follica claims that WNTs do not grow hair. If that is not what is inside those links then you're argument on that issue is with IronMan, not me, because he is the one saying that Follica claims that WNT's will not grow hair. I raised the issue of what IronMan was saying because I was trying to pick a fight with both you and IronMan at the same time. Ssshhh, don't tell him because I'm holding out hope that he still might take the bait. At least I've already got one idiot on the line [that would be you].




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Freddie555

08.05.2012, 01:45

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

its rather stupid arguing like this.

i'd like to listen to all points of view but when it gets to be these attacks, its rather a nusiance to put up with.

i'd like to give follica a chance like everyone else to prove what they have. If they have gotten funding to get this far and go into 2 phases of trials, they surely must have something. Only problem is they share nothing with the public.

Perhaps its because they fear if they did, people would be ranting & raving.




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jarjarbinx

08.05.2012, 01:51

@ Freddie555

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» its rather stupid arguing like this.
»
» i'd like to listen to all points of view but when it gets to be these
» attacks, its rather a nusiance to put up with.
»
» i'd like to give follica a chance like everyone else to prove what they
» have. If they have gotten funding to get this far and go into 2 phases of
» trials, they surely must have something. Only problem is they share
» nothing with the public.
»
» Perhaps its because they fear if they did, people would be ranting &
» raving.


Maybe it's because they still don't have a clue so they don't know what to say. Maybe they don't know what causes hair loss, maybe they don't know what it will take to cure hair loss, and maybe they don't have a definitive plan to cure hair loss. That would explain why they are so quiet. Isn't it better for them to just be quiet rather than go into interviews all over the world and declare, "We at Follica tell you all we don't know which end's up. We do not have a clue. We have no idea what's going on and we have no idea what to do"

And then the Follica guy could ask the interviewer, "What do you think we should do?"




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jarjarbinx

08.05.2012, 02:04

@ Freddie555

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» I really don't know about Follica.
»
» They have patented all kinds of stuff. From computer controlled hair
» wounding machines to slicing and dicing follicles to lithium to experiments
» on culturing & injecting cells like Replicel.
»
» Everything and the kitchen sink has been patented. You gotta be in awe at
» a company that has experimented on well over 2000 mice.
»
» Only 1 question remains - where are the results ?
»
» Chronic Gho syndrome plagues this industry. Its where everything seems to
» be in place except it all turns out to be pie in the sky when the curtains
» are finally pulled back.


You are definitely right. Follica has definitely taken a kitchen sink approach to hair growth and you do that sort of thing when you really don't know what you're doing so you cover all the possible bases that you can think of.




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KO

08.05.2012, 03:23

@ Freddie555

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» I really don't know about Follica.
»
» They have patented all kinds of stuff. From computer controlled hair
» wounding machines to slicing and dicing follicles to lithium to experiments
» on culturing & injecting cells like Replicel.
»
» Everything and the kitchen sink has been patented. You gotta be in awe at
» a company that has experimented on well over 2000 mice.
»
» Only 1 question remains - where are the results ?
»
» Chronic Gho syndrome plagues this industry. Its where everything seems to
» be in place except it all turns out to be pie in the sky when the curtains
» are finally pulled back.

It takes ages for these drug companies to develop treatments, usually between 10-15 years. Keep in mind they're trying to do something no one has done before - grow hair. Follica was founded in 2007 and in 3 yrs had a Phase 2 trial started. That's extremely fast. Also keep in mind Follica has basically promised from the start they're never going to release any kind of results, so you won't get them. They didn't even announce they were in clinical trials to begin with.

It's unrealistic to demand "results" unless you want the Replicel kind. And I think you know that.

Just be thankful knowledgeable people are working on it and be prepared to wait for a long time.




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kekeke

08.05.2012, 07:40

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» And no I'm not reading the entirety of Iron_man's links because I don't
» care what's inside those links. Clearly, the point Ironman is trying to
» make is that Follica is saying that WNT's do not hold promise for hair
» growth. That is Ironman's point, not mine. I was simply trying to make the
» point that ACCORDING TO IRONMAN Follica claims that WNTs do not grow hair.
» If that is not what is inside those links then you're argument on that
» issue is with IronMan, not me, because he is the one saying that Follica
» claims that WNT's will not grow hair.

In IP law, there is a requirement for newness in all patent applications. Iron man is referring to the background section of Follica's patent filing. One purpose of that section was to state that, up until the filing of that patent, the role of Wnt signaling as it relates to hair growth was unclear. This was simply to elucidate why their patent meets the criterion of novelty.

I seriously can't believe how gullible some people are on this forum when it comes to all this Iron man bs nonsense. So PLZ, next time, take what he says with a grain of salt - or, wait, make that a huge fcking scoop of salt, because this is really getting tiresome.




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KO

08.05.2012, 09:12

@ kekeke

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

»
» In IP law, there is a requirement for newness in all patent applications.
» Iron man is referring to the background section of Follica's patent filing.
» One purpose of that section was to state that, up until the filing of
» that patent, the role of Wnt signaling as it relates to hair growth was
» unclear. This was simply to elucidate why their patent meets the criterion
» of novelty.
»

This. What Follica has said is "extracellular wnt ligands have not been known to induce growth TILL NOW". Which is true. Follica's original experiment used mice that overexpressed Wnt...




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jarjarbinx

08.05.2012, 10:55

@ kekeke

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» » And no I'm not reading the entirety of Iron_man's links because I don't
» » care what's inside those links. Clearly, the point Ironman is trying to
» » make is that Follica is saying that WNT's do not hold promise for hair
» » growth. That is Ironman's point, not mine. I was simply trying to make
» the
» » point that ACCORDING TO IRONMAN Follica claims that WNTs do not grow
» hair.
» » If that is not what is inside those links then you're argument on that
» » issue is with IronMan, not me, because he is the one saying that Follica
» » claims that WNT's will not grow hair.
»
» In IP law, there is a requirement for newness in all patent applications.
» Iron man is referring to the background section of Follica's patent filing.
» One purpose of that section was to state that, up until the filing of
» that patent, the role of Wnt signaling as it relates to hair growth was
» unclear. This was simply to elucidate why their patent meets the criterion
» of novelty.
»
» I seriously can't believe how gullible some people are on this forum when
» it comes to all this Iron man bs nonsense. So PLZ, next time, take what he
» says with a grain of salt - or, wait, make that a huge fcking scoop of
» salt, because this is really getting tiresome.



Thanks! I really thought IronMan might have a point because he had an excerpt and it looked pretty convincing. So I was trying to get IronMan into arguments with people who took a contrary view so I could get to the bottom of the issue without having to read all of his bs. I understand it's a pain to have to clear up IronMan's bs but for the record I appreciate you doing so.




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Freddie555

08.05.2012, 22:27

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Phase 2 trial started. That's extremely fast. Also keep in mind Follica has
» basically promised from the start they're never going to release any kind
» of results, so you won't get them. They didn't even announce they were in
» clinical trials to begin with.
»
» It's unrealistic to demand "results" unless you want the Replicel kind. And
» I think you know that.
»
» Just be thankful knowledgeable people are working on it and be prepared to
» wait for a long time.

Its hard to be thankful when we don't know what we're being thankful for. At least in the case of Replicel, we know what they have as they are putting the cards on the table.

If Follica has conducted trials in Germany, why can't someone in Germany write to their FDA equivalent and ask for the results. I've never heard of any medical trial conducted on public persons by a government agency where the results are kept secret after the trials are over.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
09.05.2012, 06:23

@ Freddie555

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» If Follica has conducted trials in Germany, why can't someone in Germany
» write to their FDA equivalent and ask for the results. I've never heard of
» any medical trial conducted on public persons by a government agency where
» the results are kept secret after the trials are over.

Exactly.




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jarjarbinx

09.05.2012, 22:47

@ KO

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» »
» » In IP law, there is a requirement for newness in all patent
» applications.
» » Iron man is referring to the background section of Follica's patent
» filing.
» » One purpose of that section was to state that, up until the filing of
» » that patent, the role of Wnt signaling as it relates to hair growth
» was
» » unclear. This was simply to elucidate why their patent meets the
» criterion
» » of novelty.
» »
»
» This. What Follica has said is "extracellular wnt ligands have not been
» known to induce growth TILL NOW". Which is true. Follica's original
» experiment used mice that overexpressed Wnt...



Why didn't you just say this in the first place? This is all I wanted to know. IronMan produced an excerpt from a Follica study which indicated that Follica was saying that WNT's would not be benficial in the effort to grow hair. I was a tad concerned because I am hoping that Histogen has the cure and they use WNT's. I did not want to read all of IronMan's bs or the entirety of the material in the links provided by IronMan so I decided to initiate a back-and-forth between IronMan and the people who disagree with him to see if there was an explanation for the excerpt that IronMan posted which suggests that Follica claims that WNT's are useless for hair growth.




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cal

10.05.2012, 02:35

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

»
» Why didn't you just say this in the first place? This is all I wanted to
» know. IronMan produced an excerpt from a Follica study which indicated
» that Follica was saying that WNT's would not be benficial in the effort to
» grow hair. I was a tad concerned because I am hoping that Histogen has the
» cure and they use WNT's. I did not want to read all of IronMan's bs or the
» entirety of the material in the links provided by IronMan so I decided to
» initiate a back-and-forth between IronMan and the people who disagree with
» him to see if there was an explanation for the excerpt that IronMan posted
» which suggests that Follica claims that WNT's are useless for hair growth.

That's funny.

You spend half your time here claiming to be smarter than anyone who disagrees with you about anything. But you didn't already know how to refute Iron Man's B.S.?




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Iron_Man

10.05.2012, 05:50

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» I did not want to read all of IronMan's bs or the
» entirety of the material in the links provided by IronMan so I decided to
» initiate a back-and-forth between IronMan and the people who disagree with him
» to see if there was an explanation for the excerpt that IronMan posted
» which suggests that Follica claims that WNT's are useless for hair growth.

And you think that some hairsite losers who "disagree with IronMan" know more ...
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-84031-page-0-category-0-order-last_answer.html

... than a dozen of different scientists out there??

So does it mean that these losers actually "disagree with Follica's Wnt-analysis" including all their cited scientists and their findings?

Their disagreement is actually - BASED ON WHAT EXACTLY?

Oh, I forgot, I can find the answer in your post in big letters ...:-D
[image]
...… and there exactly you can find their support for their disagreement!




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jarjarbinx

10.05.2012, 11:12

@ cal

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» »
» » Why didn't you just say this in the first place? This is all I wanted
» to
» » know. IronMan produced an excerpt from a Follica study which indicated
» » that Follica was saying that WNT's would not be benficial in the effort
» to
» » grow hair. I was a tad concerned because I am hoping that Histogen has
» the
» » cure and they use WNT's. I did not want to read all of IronMan's bs or
» the
» » entirety of the material in the links provided by IronMan so I decided
» to
» » initiate a back-and-forth between IronMan and the people who disagree
» with
» » him to see if there was an explanation for the excerpt that IronMan
» posted
» » which suggests that Follica claims that WNT's are useless for hair
» growth.
»
» That's funny.
»
» You spend half your time here claiming to be smarter than anyone who
» disagrees with you about anything. But you didn't already know how to
» refute Iron Man's B.S.?


You've mistaken me for someone else. I've never claimed I'm smarter than anyone who disagrees with me. Obviously, I take other people's posts seriously and I respect other people's posts (except for MikadoMan's posts) or else IronMan's post about Follica saying that WNT's were useless would not have gotten under my skin.




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jarjarbinx

10.05.2012, 11:20

@ cal

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» »
» » Why didn't you just say this in the first place? This is all I wanted
» to
» » know. IronMan produced an excerpt from a Follica study which indicated
» » that Follica was saying that WNT's would not be benficial in the effort
» to
» » grow hair. I was a tad concerned because I am hoping that Histogen has
» the
» » cure and they use WNT's. I did not want to read all of IronMan's bs or
» the
» » entirety of the material in the links provided by IronMan so I decided
» to
» » initiate a back-and-forth between IronMan and the people who disagree
» with
» » him to see if there was an explanation for the excerpt that IronMan
» posted
» » which suggests that Follica claims that WNT's are useless for hair
» growth.
»
» That's funny.
»
» You spend half your time here claiming to be smarter than anyone who
» disagrees with you about anything. But you didn't already know how to
» refute Iron Man's B.S.?


IronMan are you saying kekeke and KO are incorrect? They claim that your Follica/WNT excerpt was in regards to Follica's attempt to establish that it used to be believed that WNT's are not useful for growing hair, not that WNT's truly aren't useful at growing hair.




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MikadoMan

10.05.2012, 11:31

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Yawwwwnn youre postings are boring. Do you even know what you are talking about or are you postng first, then push the send button and then think afterwards?

You talk about detail nobody cares about, seriously come back when you have anything to contribute as*talker




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jarjarbinx

10.05.2012, 12:00

@ MikadoMan

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Yawwwwnn youre postings are boring. Do you even know what you are talking
» about or are you postng first, then push the send button and then think
» afterwards?
»
» You talk about detail nobody cares about, seriously come back when you have
» anything to contribute as*talker


then why do you read them sh1t-for-brains?




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MikadoMan

10.05.2012, 12:12

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

because iam bored and as*talkers are funny people




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---
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cal

10.05.2012, 14:29

@ MikadoMan

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

You have all kind of excuses for why Follica is silent. You say this and you say that. But what you aren't smart enough to figure out is that the real reason Follica is so quiet is that they don't know wtf they're doing, they don't know what's going on, and they have no idea what to do, so they don't know what to say.

"You aren't smart enough to figure that out" is a common kind of phrase from you.




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MikadoMan

10.05.2012, 14:39

@ cal

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» You have all kind of excuses for why Follica is silent. You
» say this and you say that. But what you aren't smart enough to figure out
» is that the real reason Follica is so quiet is that they don't know wtf
» they're doing, they don't know what's going on, and they have no idea what
» to do, so they don't know what to say.

»
» "You aren't smart enough to figure that out" is a common kind of phrase
» from you.

cal i revtard love shubiduba shubiduba




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---
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Dogstar

23.05.2012, 04:44

@ jarjarbinx

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Another Patent.

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1




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moawk

Germany,
23.05.2012, 04:46

@ Dogstar

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Another Patent.
»
» http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1

follica are just a bunch of researchers from universities getting a lot of funds because they seem "promising".

Trust me on this I worked on the research program with one of my professor. His research was so useless but he would get insane amount of funding.




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1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance.
2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers.
3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos.
4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia.
5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results.
6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012


[image]
- Moawk

Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth.
http://www.hasci.com

Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo.
http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html
Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future.


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roger_that

MARYLAND,
23.05.2012, 07:07

@ Dogstar

Did Follica take Willy's idea?

» Another Patent.
»
» http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1

I notice they're also touting this for "scarless wound healing", and that it involves a "composition".

My guess is that they've basically taken the idea of using an "ACell" like composition for "scarless wound healing" and scar revision, and they've patented it.

Only problem is, it wasn't their idea.

ACell was being used to promote wound healing in animals, until Willy from this site came along and proposed it as something to augment wound healing in HT patients (and perhaps promote hair growth).

Willy passed the idea on to a bunch of HT doctors, and (not surprisingly), they embraced the idea enthusiastically, but didn't give Willy a shred of credit for it. Some of them even claimed they had the exact same idea before Willy suggested it to them, even using ACell.

Now, Follica has actually patented this idea. No, their patent obviously doesn't involve ACell itself, but it likely involves a "composition" or "compositions" of their formulation which may be very similar to ACell, but different enough that there's no patent interference (at least not to the patent examiners at USPTO).

If you examine the record and the sequence of events, Willy was clearly touting ACell for these purposes here on HairSite before any of the HT doctors were, and before Follica even burst on the scene with any ideas at all.

Is Follica likely to give Willy any credit for the idea?




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superhl

23.05.2012, 11:05

@ moawk

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» » Another Patent.
» »
» »
» http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1
»
» follica are just a bunch of researchers from universities getting a lot of
» funds because they seem "promising".
»
» Trust me on this I worked on the research program with one of my professor.
» His research was so useless but he would get insane amount of funding.

You are are so correct. It is all about funding. They must continue to publish documentation for securing their funding.. That is why you see COTS on the news about once a year. Not saying he would not like to find a cure but much of the documentation is redundant knowing full well that these experiments will not translate from mice to humans..... Smart guy!




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cal

23.05.2012, 12:42

@ superhl

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

If that's all they are doing, then it's pretty odd that they went into human trials several years ago without making it public.




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Willy

23.05.2012, 17:00

@ roger_that

Did Follica take Willy's idea?

» » Another Patent.
» »
» »
» http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1
»
» I notice they're also touting this for "scarless wound healing", and that
» it involves a "composition".
»
» My guess is that they've basically taken the idea of using an "ACell" like
» composition for "scarless wound healing" and scar revision, and they've
» patented it.
»
» Only problem is, it wasn't their idea.
»
» ACell was being used to promote wound healing in animals, until Willy from
» this site came along and proposed it as something to augment wound healing
» in HT patients (and perhaps promote hair growth).
»
» Willy passed the idea on to a bunch of HT doctors, and (not surprisingly),
» they embraced the idea enthusiastically, but didn't give Willy a shred of
» credit for it. Some of them even claimed they had the exact same idea
» before Willy suggested it to them, even using ACell.
»
» Now, Follica has actually patented this idea. No, their patent obviously
» doesn't involve ACell itself, but it likely involves a "composition" or
» "compositions" of their formulation which may be very similar to ACell, but
» different enough that there's no patent interference (at least not to the
» patent examiners at USPTO).
»
» If you examine the record and the sequence of events, Willy was clearly
» touting ACell for these purposes here on HairSite before any of the HT
» doctors were, and before Follica even burst on the scene with any ideas at
» all.
»
» Is Follica likely to give Willy any credit for the idea?


LOL.....I doubt it, but thanks for the acknowledement. It did kind of tick me off when the docs claimed to have involvement with Acell before I contacted them (even though the people at Acell told me that they didn't think of using Acell with a HT to promote scarless wound healing....and in my hopes....a limitless donor supply). It didn't work out to be exactly what I had hoped, but I still think that it probably has some benefits when used with HT's. As far as credit goes.....it would be nice to get some....but I really just WANT A FULL HEAD OF HAIR AGAIN :)




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Dogstar

23.05.2012, 17:51

@ superhl

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

Someone posted this on xconomy,

A method for inducing hair growth on the scalp of a human subject with androgenetic alopecia, wherein the method comprises (a) performing dermabrasion with a depth of 30 to 200 at Day 0; (b) commencing at Day 0, topical administration of a GSK-3 inhibitor twice daily for about 7 days followed by a period without topical treatment of about 21 days; and (c) administering topically 5% minoxidil foam for at least 5 months."


I believe it's from the latest patent but I'm not sure. I can't access any of the information on the patent.




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KO

23.05.2012, 19:28

@ Dogstar

Has anyone else notice that Follica is fading into obscurity?

» Another Patent.
»
» http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120518&CC=WO&NR=2012065065A1&KC=A1

Read the patent carefully, it may have info on their clinical trials conducted in Germany.




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