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27.07.2007, 02:17
 

Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years (Hair Transplant)

Dr. Hasson rebuilt the hairline, filled in the front 1/2 of the scalp and touched up the crown. Patient is 1.5 years post-op.

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27.07.2007, 02:40

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Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

Hairsite,

Thank you for uploading the photos for me. Just a side note, the video of this patient will be up shortly on our homepage. I'll provide the link when we've had time to upload the final edit.




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missmyhair

27.07.2007, 04:21

@ jotronic

Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

That was roughly 7,900 grafts?



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27.07.2007, 04:32

@ missmyhair

5746 grafts

Sorry, forgot to include the number of grafts. 5746 in one session.




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27.07.2007, 05:39

@ jotronic

5746 grafts

One more note. I think it's important to point out exactly what you are looking at. First, the lighting. No flash was used nor studio lighting to make the result look any different than what you'd see in reality. The only lights were from the fluorescent bulbs directly overhead and any ambient light from the windows in the nearby ORs.

Also, the hairline is completely new. The grafts were not mixed in with his original forelock area. It is all transplant in the left, front and right hairline area. Many times patient results are posted where the actual work was behind the native hairline. This is not one of those cases.

Thought I'd clarify.




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missmyhair

27.07.2007, 05:42

@ jotronic

5746 grafts

» Sorry, forgot to include the number of grafts. 5746 in one session.\

Thanks for the update the bottom left hand corner of your page said something about 7900 fue grafts in small print that is why I was assuming that amount.

His results look very good, and I'm not surprised b/c this is hasson/wong work. I must say that if I were to get strip procedure Hasson/Wong would be where I'd go for sure. But I really like wearing my hair short, I'm 27, and I feel we are very close to bigger and better things in the hair industry (acell, ICX, etc.)

Have you guys considered contacting Acell in regards to applying the patch to your patient's strip scar? If this were a possibility and it yeilded better recovery of the scar, it would definately start to get me thinking about considering strip. I feel a lot of regular informed posters on here would definately be interested if some of the big clinics/better doctors (armani, H&W, Cole, Umar, etc.) stepped up to the plate and tried to incorporate the Acell patch in into their surgery recovery.



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27.07.2007, 06:01

@ missmyhair

5746 grafts

Missmyhair,

First, 7900 grafts is what I have had with Dr. Wong. My results can be seen at www.hairtransplantmentor.com and my other site, www.hairtransplanttv.com. I was a repair case as I was almost a NW7 with 300 mini grafts planted at the top of my forehead. Ugh!

Thanks for the props on our results.

As far as Acell goes, I've been in talks with them already. No, we're not working with them, but I think what they are doing is exciting. It's not official communication but I've learned quite a bit. They won't have human grade product for about a year (maybe less) but they already have vet grade product on the market now for animal use. While this is tempting to start with it is vet grade for a reason and I don't feel it would be safe for human use just yet.

Thanks again for the props.




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missmyhair

27.07.2007, 06:31

@ jotronic

5746 grafts

» Missmyhair,
»
» First, 7900 grafts is what I have had with Dr. Wong. My results can be
» seen at www.hairtransplantmentor.com and my other site,
» www.hairtransplanttv.com. I was a repair case as I was almost a NW7 with
» 300 mini grafts planted at the top of my forehead. Ugh!
»
» Thanks for the props on our results.
»
» As far as Acell goes, I've been in talks with them already. No, we're not
» working with them, but I think what they are doing is exciting. It's not
» official communication but I've learned quite a bit. They won't have human
» grade product for about a year (maybe less) but they already have vet grade
» product on the market now for animal use. While this is tempting to start
» with it is vet grade for a reason and I don't feel it would be safe for
» human use just yet.
»
»
» Anyway, thanks again for the props.

Thanks for the reply Jotronic,



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marco

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27.07.2007, 09:52

@ jotronic

Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

» Hairsite,
»
» Thank you for uploading the photos for me. Just a side note, the video of
» this patient will be up shortly on our homepage. I'll provide the link
» when we've had time to upload the final edit.

Fantastic results. I think that the hairlines in some patients from a little wile back have been too hard. This one is the softest that I have seen from H&W and is as good as any I have seen. Regarding the combination of good angulation and softness this is better than most armani hairlines I have seen.

It seems that you used more grafts for the area than you usualy use. Is this the case? Only a small proportion of a type V area was transplanted wheras H&W usualy use 5-6000 for a complete typ V area. Liiking at the result, if the patient goes to type V or VI then he will need another 5000. Would you agree?

Congrats

P.S. If you were an experienced FUE clinic and your costs were $5/FUE you would have an additional client:-)



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helpme007

27.07.2007, 16:31

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can we see photos from top?

can we see photos from top?



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thegreek

27.07.2007, 16:40

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can we see photos from top?

by the way i can see the outline of the scar from the side, maybe its from the picture...



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27.07.2007, 17:48

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Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

» Dr. Hasson rebuilt the hairline, filled in the front 1/2 of the scalp and
» touched up the crown. Patient is 1.5 years post-op.
»

very nice results joe




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27.07.2007, 17:55

@ jotronic

looks great but

» Sorry, forgot to include the number of grafts. 5746 in one session.
2 things

1, where are the top pics

2........that is near 6000 grafts for just the top front of the scalp and thickening the crown

he has possibly 2000 grafts left, with the average being about 8k from strip , being available

what happens if he goes to a big nw scale in 20 yrs, that is always my concern using so much of the available donor at an early age to match the thick surrounding hair

then he will in no way have that much donor available to match the thick transplant he just got now, so then what?




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28.07.2007, 02:22

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looks great but

Actually his donor looks very thick, I think he can easily provide 3000-4000 with another strip, don't you think? His back looks much thicker than others I have seen.




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28.07.2007, 03:36

@ helpmeout

looks great but

Good pics and overall good transplant Jotronic. :-) ;-)




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28.07.2007, 04:53

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Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

Thanks all for the comments.

Greek, you do not see a line from his donor scar. Look closely at the before pic, there is an indentation there as well and it is simply how his hair falls. The "line" that you see is actually lower than his true line. The increased amount of gray accentuates this.

The patient is 40 years old and has a plentiful donor supply. We estimate that he has at least 4000 or more should he need it but we hope this will not be the case. I found a top shot today but didn't have time to upload it and I had another project that got in the way of finishing his video but that will be finished on Monday and the link will be provided.




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28.07.2007, 05:52

@ helpmeout

looks great but

» Actually his donor looks very thick, I think he can easily provide
» 3000-4000 with another strip, don't you think? His back looks much
» thicker than others I have seen.

i am not going by how his donor looks I am going by averages, perhaps he could get another 1000 but lets say he cant, so thats 2000 more................he already got 6000, so thats one THIRD of what he got now already. is what he has available TOTAL for the rest of his life, THATS IT

so if his top continues to thin and goes to bald on top the first transplant will remain in place but there will be WAY more hair lost that needs to be replaced.........................than can be fixed by 2000 grafts............so his hair would look like a freak with a thick frontal transplant and then bald on the back.............Like Senator Joe Biden

I think its a mistake to overharvest when you are young, like so many docs seem to be doing nowadays
and then if they guy goes way bald later and has insufficient donor left, the docs will say, hey dont blame me, how was I supposed to know he would go that bald

His hair also could easily go WAY down on the sides and back on the partline, and then he would be left with a thick frontal transplant with a huge ring on the sides rimming his head where the part used to be...............if that is not freaky I dont know what is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and he would have nowhere near the number of grafts to fix it




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29.07.2007, 02:14

@ jotronic

Question to jotronic

jotronic,

I don't know if you replied to my post regarding ICX . Somehow the posts were deleted.




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29.07.2007, 19:36

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Question to jotronic

» jotronic,
»
» I don't know if you replied to my post regarding ICX . Somehow the posts
» were deleted.

Email joe@hassonandwong.com




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helpme007

29.07.2007, 20:15

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sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

20,000 $ ???? this is the price for such a procedure, right?

well and still the sides are thicker than the front top. WTF???

my sides are thicker than my front top too. my hair should look grown out about like this case. if not then nearly as good. my crown looks better.

and i get told by people (not from these forums) to stop my meds coz the hair is just not worth the money. (and i just spend 100 € (about 130 $) a month in the treatments.) ok i spend about 1500 $ a year. thats much money too. i just hope i can have HM in 5-10 years so it will be 7500 - 15000 $ i will spend in treatments from this point now. thats still less than this guy spent.

anyway he now HAS TO use treatments or he will look bad...really bad.


nothing against the natuarality of this transplant and the design of the hairline....but was this worth it?



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helpmeout

29.07.2007, 21:08

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sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

Well that's pretty much the average price for hair transplant these days. What makes you think that hair multiplication will be cheaper and the hair will last forever? It might be just as expensive.




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29.07.2007, 21:45

@ jotronic

Dr. Hasson - hairline, frontal 1/2, crown - 1.5 years

Excellent photographs!

Very nice before and after comparison. :ok:




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sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

"well and still the sides are thicker than the front top. WTF???"


Things that make you say "duh" for 500 Alex. How in the world do you expect the transplanted areas to be as thick as the sides? Magic? This has to be one of the most naive things that I have ever read on this forum.




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helpme007

29.07.2007, 22:49

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sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

» "well and still the sides are thicker than the front top. WTF???"
»
»
» Things that make you say "duh" for 500 Alex. How in the world do you
» expect the transplanted areas to be as thick as the sides? Magic? This has
» to be one of the most naive things that I have ever read on this forum.

well maybe its naive and i dont know much about transplants. but for 20,000 $ you should expect that.

and i think with some later versions of HM you should get this for this price.

the sides just have 55-60 grafts per cm². im not speaking here of the back donor. but 55-60 grafts should be possible with these many grafts and for this price.



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29.07.2007, 23:05

@ helpme007

sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

» » "well and still the sides are thicker than the front top. WTF???"
» »
» »
» » Things that make you say "duh" for 500 Alex. How in the world do you
» » expect the transplanted areas to be as thick as the sides? Magic? This
» has
» » to be one of the most naive things that I have ever read on this forum.
»
» well maybe its naive and i dont know much about transplants. but for
» 20,000 $ you should expect that.
»
» and i think with some later versions of HM you should get this for this
» price.
»
» the sides just have 55-60 grafts per cm². im not speaking here of the back
» donor. but 55-60 grafts should be possible with these many grafts and for
» this price.

sory but i think his hair looks pretty damn good
however he just used up 75% of his donor grafts on an area that covers only about 1/3 of the top of his head, not to mention the future thinning he might incur on the crown and sides

if he goes very bald he is in big trouble




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29.07.2007, 23:11

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sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

» » » "well and still the sides are thicker than the front top.
» WTF???"

» » »
» » »
» » » Things that make you say "duh" for 500 Alex. How in the world do you
» » » expect the transplanted areas to be as thick as the sides? Magic?
» This
» » has
» » » to be one of the most naive things that I have ever read on this
» forum.
» »
» » well maybe its naive and i dont know much about transplants. but for
» » 20,000 $ you should expect that.
» »
» » and i think with some later versions of HM you should get this for this
» » price.
» »
» » the sides just have 55-60 grafts per cm². im not speaking here of the
» back
» » donor. but 55-60 grafts should be possible with these many grafts and
» for
» » this price.
»
» sory but i think his hair looks pretty damn good
» however he just used up 75% of his donor grafts on an area that
» covers only about 1/3 of the top of his head, not to mention the future
» thinning he might incur on the crown and sides
»
» if he goes very bald he is in big trouble

I agree- excellent results. You also need to take in consideration his age. He is 40 yrs old so I would imagine that his hair-loss is a very mild progression. If he loses anymore, I would suspect it would take a long time to show cosmetic relevance.



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helpme007

29.07.2007, 23:21

@ MPB

sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

i would really like to see a top view.

anyway, i think the hairline doesnt look absolutley natural. i dont know why but it just doesnt perfectly look like what nature makes.

:/ just my opinion.



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MPB

29.07.2007, 23:23

@ helpme007

sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

» i would really like to see a top view.
»
» anyway, i think the hairline doesnt look absolutley natural. i dont know
» why but it just doesnt perfectly look like what nature makes.
»
» :/ just my opinion.


As long as it is just your opinion and not speculation.;-)



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helpme007

29.07.2007, 23:29

@ MPB

sorry, but for this he paid 20,000 $ something???

» » i would really like to see a top view.
» »
» » anyway, i think the hairline doesnt look absolutley natural. i dont
» know
» » why but it just doesnt perfectly look like what nature makes.
» »
» » :/ just my opinion.
»
»
» As long as it is just your opinion and not speculation.;-)

no no, :) its just my opinion.

its just sad that this is what the best hair transplant surgeon in the world can do. :/

i woulda want more.

lets all hope for HM.



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dastardly

30.07.2007, 14:36

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Hmmmmm

Not sure about this.... I think it looks great - natural, nice density, age-appropriate hairline etc. But I'm a bit unsure where all those grafts went, as the patient still had a good load of hair left up top. I know they bulked up thinning areas as well as just rebuilding the hairline, but if I'd have just seen the before and after pictures I'd have said it was a 3000+ graft job, not pushing 5500 to 6000.

But as of now, Summer 2007, it looks very nice.




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Hmmmmm

» Not sure about this.... I think it looks great - natural, nice density,
» age-appropriate hairline etc. But I'm a bit unsure where all those grafts
» went, as the patient still had a good load of hair left up top. I know
» they bulked up thinning areas as well as just rebuilding the hairline, but
» if I'd have just seen the before and after pictures I'd have said it was a
» 3000+ graft job, not pushing 5500 to 6000.
»
» But as of now, Summer 2007, it looks very nice.

thats what I said he used up WAY too many grafts for this small area

he is in big trouble if he thins considerably more




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No response from joe

» Email joe@hassonandwong.com

I did, no response. I don't see why he can't just respond here. What is the big deal?




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30.07.2007, 20:00

@ chiaHead

No response from joe

» » Email joe@hassonandwong.com
»
» I did, no response. I don't see why he can't just respond here. What is
» the big deal?

I don't know. You tell me. What's the big deal? Joe heard from someone who said HM may be 10 years away. It's second hand information, it's not from someone within Intercytex. It's not verifiable. It cannot be substantiated. So what's the big deal? Why obsessed over it? It's speculation at best.

Jotronic doesn't want to divulge any more details given how fanatic people can get in the forum. His words were literally twisted to read "someone deep in the know at Intercytex" which is NOT what he said.




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30.07.2007, 21:35

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but a response from bilo

» » » Email joe@hassonandwong.com
» »
» » I did, no response. I don't see why he can't just respond here. What
» is
» » the big deal?
»
» I don't know. You tell me. What's the big deal? Joe heard from someone
» who said HM may be 10 years away. It's second hand information, it's not
» from someone within Intercytex. It's not verifiable. It cannot be
» substantiated. So what's the big deal? Why obsessed over it? It's
» speculation at best.
»
» Jotronic doesn't want to divulge any more details given how fanatic people
» can get in the forum. His words were literally twisted to read "someone
» deep in the know at Intercytex" which is NOT what he said.

Mind if I answer this question, Hairsite? I'll tell you what the big deal is. The big deal isn't what Jotronic had said. What he actually had said, I quoted word for word in the HM forum, including a back link here. We then proceeded to have a lively discussion in the HM forum, which, like about every discussion on that forum, included second-hand, unverifiable, unsubstantiated information. And all was well. In fact, even your friend Jotronic, with all his bizarre immunity from critical analysis that he seems to have on this board, contributed to the thread and, in his own words "learned something".

We know the flaws in the information Hairsite; THAT is not the big deal. Nor are we obsessing about the information itself. Asking for further information about a potentially significant statement made by a 'respected' member of the board about HM is hardly obsessing. If you hadn't taken it upon yourself to delete a perfectly good and informative thread, no sorry, two of them, there would be no big deal.

All we want is for the information that Jotronic gave to be available out there for us to know, debate, and DECIDE FOR OURSELVES whether or not it is valid. We resent the fact that you treat us like little kids, trying to tell us which information is worth knowing and which isn't, and further, we resent it even more considering how much speculative garbage DOES make it onto the HM forum. It further worries us when we wonder what other potentially information you've deleted, before we've managed to see it. Well, Hairsite, we will not let that happen to this particular nugget of information. YOU have made it a big deal.




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thegreek

30.07.2007, 22:37

@ HanginInThere

Hmmmmm

» » Not sure about this.... I think it looks great - natural, nice density,
» » age-appropriate hairline etc. But I'm a bit unsure where all those
» grafts
» » went, as the patient still had a good load of hair left up top. I know
» » they bulked up thinning areas as well as just rebuilding the hairline,
» but
» » if I'd have just seen the before and after pictures I'd have said it was
» a
» » 3000+ graft job, not pushing 5500 to 6000.
» »
» » But as of now, Summer 2007, it looks very nice.
»
» thats what I said he used up WAY too many grafts for this small area
»
» he is in big trouble if he thins considerably more

There is something very fishy here...usually we see these numbers on NW6 patients from H&W and they seem to have good coverage with them!!!Now all these grafts in front and a little bald spot on the crown and even the hairline looks thin!This is very weird...there is something wrong with the numbers, this result looks like 2500-3000 grafts.



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@ thegreek

**UPDATE FOR VIDEO**

Attached is the video that I promised. Apologies for the delay.

To recap, the patient is 40 years of age, received 5746 grafts in one session and has achieved true density as opposed to an illusion of density. The difference is that he can pull off any hairstyle he wants without reservation. I know some of you have questioned the number of grafts and why it was necessary. This was why. Also, he is not in any position to look ridiculous IF he loses more hair. His hairline was not aggressively lowered, his temples were not aggressively closed and he has at the least 4000 grafts or more for future work if he needs it. His donor density and laxity are still excellent.

Btw, he paid less than 20K and I don't mean 19,9999.00 either;-)

As a side note, this is the last of our standard definition videos. The quality just is not what we would like so after this, all of our videos will be shot in HD (high definition). We just purchased a Canon HV-20 and while the final product, after compression and conversion will not be true high def, it will be considerably sharper and with little to no pixelation. We do this to make our work just that much more transparent.

For this video you can enlarge it to full screen by clicking the small gray squareish icon in the bottom right hand corner of the video player. It should fill your screen regardless of what size monitor (or TV) that you are using.

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31.07.2007, 08:59

@ jotronic

**UPDATE FOR VIDEO**

so you are saying guys can get 10k grafts with strip

sounds high to me but then again, what do i know other than what a few guys have said on the board

I am not saying his hairline is freakishly low, so that he would look abnormal in the future

Im saying you only covered less than half the top of his scalp and now its DENSE
what if he goes to a NW7? with hair on the part lines going way down on the sides of his scalp, and the crown goes way back down...............and he is left with this thick normal frontal hairline on top and then bald behind that with a bald ring where his parts used to be on each side

you dont think that would look strange?




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Baccy

31.07.2007, 13:52

@ HanginInThere

**UPDATE FOR VIDEO**

»Impressive but my advice is wait for TRC. Really.



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thegreek

31.07.2007, 16:56

@ Baccy

**UPDATE FOR VIDEO**

a looooot of grafts in a small area and still it looks somehow thin...if the guy progresses to NW6 he is doomed, lets hope that the Dutasteride he propably is on will hold off the progression and wont give him any long term sideeffects



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01.08.2007, 00:05

@ thegreek

**UPDATE FOR VIDEO**

» a looooot of grafts in a small area and still it looks somehow thin...if
» the guy progresses to NW6 he is doomed, lets hope that the Dutasteride he
» propably is on will hold off the progression and wont give him any long
» term sideeffects

TheGreek,

Your post is rather confusing. It's a lot of grafts but it's still thin? If he loses to a NW6 he's screwed because so many grafts were already used? If so, this doesn't fly because as I said he has well over 4000 grafts left so at worst the back would look thin. If he loses in the middle section then it could still be filled with a decreasing density into the crown. If he progresses, he's still good as it's perfectly natural to have a strong front and a thinner back. This is a standard approach by most all clinics as it mimics a natural pattern.

If you say he's screwed because it's too thick up front then how can this be if you just said he still looks thin? See the contradiction? Anyhow, I don't see where you think it's still thin unless you like brick walls for hairlines. I mean, how much more dense do you want that is more than 70 per cm2?

Hangingin there,

Yes, he has at least 10K available via strip. Nicnitro has received this much already in two sessions and even I myself have had close to this much removed. 8000 FU with Dr. Wong and 800 minis by Dr. Norris of which only 300 grew. Convert those minis to FU and it would be close to 2000 therefore almost 10K have been removed. 10K via strip is pretty rare but it is not unheard of and this patient can easily hit that as well. He is far from screwed and he won't hit NW7. All males in his family have the same pattern as he does, he's on meds (Proscar), and his remaining donor hair is extremely strong. Remember, he's 40 years old, not 23.




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thegreek

01.08.2007, 01:16

@ jotronic

let me be simple

»
» Your post is rather confusing. It's a lot of grafts but it's still thin?
» If he loses to a NW6 he's screwed because so many grafts were already
» used? If so, this doesn't fly because as I said he has well over 4000
» grafts left so at worst the back would look thin. If he loses in the
» middle section then it could still be filled with a decreasing density
» into the crown. If he progresses, he's still good as it's perfectly
» natural to have a strong front and a thinner back. This is a standard
» approach by most all clinics as it mimics a natural pattern.
»
» If you say he's screwed because it's too thick up front then how can this
» be if you just said he still looks thin? See the contradiction? Anyhow, I
» don't see where you think it's still thin unless you like brick walls for
» hairlines. I mean, how much more dense do you want that is more than 70
» per cm2?
»


Well i think i was pretty clear but i will try to make it simpler...It looks thin compared to the grafts implanted, 5500 grafts usually are used over larger areas and they cover up nicely...since they were used in such a small area then by definition it should be denser,unless not all grafts grew.I can see through his hairline and its his native hair that are dense that stop me from seeing deeper.

I am in noway in favor of a brick hairline but i feel for the hairloss patern that i see in the before pictures 2 many grafts were used if you told me that its a 3000 grafts procedure i would say is awesome..

dont tell me that for this area of hairloss,which is very small since the guy has so many native hair, we need 5500-6000 and if he progresses to NW6 we just need 4000 more!!!



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01.08.2007, 01:44

@ thegreek

let me be simple

I guess that's where you and I differ. You think you see thinness, I see a natural dense result. The whole point of this procedure was to establish real density. It's not full native density but it is considerably higher than what a regular sized transplant would look thus enabling his desire for any style he wants to sport. Trust me, if this was 3000 grafts, you'd know it. Don't think this is a case that is common for all our patients. It would be way too aggressive for someone younger and with a weaker family history. This talk of "if" that and "if" this with regards to a NW7 is pretty far fetched if you ask me. It's like saying one should not drive up the mountainside because what "if" the brakes go out. For that matter, if you think along the lines of what if, then don't get a hair transplant at all, because you'll be too worried to care about anything else.




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01.08.2007, 02:00

@ jotronic

let me be simple

» I guess that's where you and I differ. You think you see thinness, I see a
» natural dense result. The whole point of this procedure was to establish
» real density. It's not full native density but it is considerably higher
» than what a regular sized transplant would look thus enabling his desire
» for any style he wants to sport. Trust me, if this was 3000 grafts, you'd
» know it. Don't think this is a case that is common for all our patients.
» It would be way too aggressive for someone younger and with a weaker
» family history. This talk of "if" that and "if" this with regards to a NW7
» is pretty far fetched if you ask me. It's like saying one should not drive
» up the mountainside because what "if" the brakes go out. For that matter,
» if you think along the lines of what if, then don't get a hair transplant
» at all, because you'll be too worried to care about anything else.

Well for this "if's" this patient(as you said all his family never progressed further on the norwood scale than this) is on proscar and other patients of yours are on dutasteride...so if your clinic or the patients that have a transplant with you dont "think along the lines of what if my hairloss progresses" and is so farstreched then why they just dont stop the drugs?there is no reason to take them with your logic...is far streched



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@ thegreek

let me be simple

Ah, and therein lies the whole point. Just because he's not supposed to progress to a NW7, the Proscar is supposed to be one more step to prevent the "if" factor. Call it an added degree of insurance. Hey, he's a really nice guy, but we don't want to see him again.




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01.08.2007, 02:11

@ jotronic

let me be simple

» I guess that's where you and I differ. You think you see thinness, I see a
» natural dense result. The whole point of this procedure was to establish
» real density. It's not full native density but it is considerably higher
» than what a regular sized transplant would look thus enabling his desire
» for any style he wants to sport. Trust me, if this was 3000 grafts, you'd
» know it. Don't think this is a case that is common for all our patients.
» It would be way too aggressive for someone younger and with a weaker
» family history. This talk of "if" that and "if" this with regards to a NW7
» is pretty far fetched if you ask me. It's like saying one should not drive
» up the mountainside because what "if" the brakes go out. For that matter,
» if you think along the lines of what if, then don't get a hair transplant
» at all, because you'll be too worried to care about anything else.

Come on Joe, standards have been raised so much in the last decade by clinics such as H&W. The realities of hairloss are also accepted more openly and one of those,as Cole said is that hairloss almost always progresses and that the idea of stabilisation is a bit of a myth.

I hate that reality but I would argue that anyone who has gone beyond a NW2 will progress. I think that the difference between people is the rate and the initial pattern. How many NW3 have you seen of 70 years old or 80 for that matter. Before you ask, I do still want to be attractive to 22 year olds at 80 or 90 although as I think of it 22 year olds aren't attracted to me now though:-(



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thegreek

01.08.2007, 02:26

@ jotronic

let me be simple

» Ah, and therein lies the whole point. Just because he's not supposed to
» progress to a NW7, the Proscar is supposed to be one more step to prevent
» the "if" factor. Call it an added degree of insurance. Hey, he's a really
» nice guy, but we don't want to see him again.

So its more than clear that there is the "if " factor and we need insurance from it... then its not so farstreched dont you think? :)

I just hope the insurance does not run out for this patient...because i dont think your safe plan of 4000 more grafts to cover the entire scalp(that you described us) is so safe when you needed 5700 grafts to cover that small bald area



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01.08.2007, 03:02

@ thegreek

let me be simple

The Greek,

"So its more than clear that there is the "if " factor and we need insurance from it... then its not so farstreched dont you think? :)

I just hope the insurance does not run out for this patient...because i dont think your safe plan of 4000 more grafts to cover the entire scalp(that you described us) is so safe when you needed 5700 grafts to cover that small bald area"

Any responsible clinic will always factor in "if". I know of no clinic that has a crystal ball so it's always best to do this.

Let me ask you something. Do you actually believe what you're writing or do you think that I'm so "full of BS" and that I'm "salesman trash" like you're saying in other threads that I'll keep on trying to explain the results just to sell it? If the former, then reread to learn something. Not all the grafts were placed in the front 1/2, most but not all. The rest were in the crown. Also if he were to lose the rest to a NW6 then the goal wouldn't be to re-establish the density but to have a natural decrease in density toward the crown. You're acting as if he has a hairline across his eyebrows and his eyes covered by this temple closure. We're not talking about a kid here. If anything I think we're known for being a little responsible with our patients than what you're trying to present here.




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let me be simple

"Come on Joe, standards have been raised so much in the last decade by
clinics such as H&W. The realities of hairloss are also accepted more
openly and one of those,as Cole said is that hairloss almost always
progresses and that the idea of stabilisation is a bit of a myth."

And I agree with this totally, Marco. But this does not mean that any progression will be consistent over the years. The rate of progression can and will vary greatly over time. For several years or even a couple of decades hair loss can appear to simply stop when in fact it has progressed so slowly that it only appears to have stopped. Other times it can kick in and accelerate. When performing work like this all scenarios have to be realized and discussed and consequences considered but when it's all said and done the doctor determines based on experience just how high the chances are.


"I hate that reality but I would argue that anyone who has gone beyond a» NW2 will progress. I think that the difference between people is the rate» and the initial pattern. How many NW3 have you seen of 70 years old or 80» for that matter. Before you ask, I do still want to be attractive to 22» year olds at 80 or 90 although as I think of it 22 year olds aren't» attracted to me now though:-("

I hear ya man. The thing is, for this patient, his grandfathers were about the same as him so this is just one factor to consider. Regarding the 22 year olds, I feel your pain but by the time we're 80, then we'll have gene therapy for our hair, our skin, our organs, our minds, etc. 80 will be the "new" 30, hahaha:)




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01.08.2007, 04:53

@ jotronic

Stripped out? FUE as needed... No?

I think he looks very good.

If he's "stripped out" after another procedure, couldn't he FUE "as needed" from this point on?

We're talking the price of a nice Toyota, here fellas.
Well worth it, IMO.

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01.08.2007, 17:02

@ jotronic

let me be simple

» Let me ask you something. Do you actually believe what you're writing or
» do you think that I'm so "full of BS" and that I'm "salesman trash" like
» you're saying in other threads that I'll keep on trying to explain the
» results just to sell it? If the former, then reread to learn something.
» Not all the grafts were placed in the front 1/2, most but not all. The
» rest were in the crown. Also if he were to lose the rest to a NW6 then the
» goal wouldn't be to re-establish the density but to have a natural decrease
» in density toward the crown. You're acting as if he has a hairline across
» his eyebrows and his eyes covered by this temple closure. We're not
» talking about a kid here. If anything I think we're known for being a
» little responsible with our patients than what you're trying to present
» here.

» Let me ask you something. Do you actually believe what you're writing or
» do you think that I'm so "full of BS" and that I'm "salesman trash" like
» you're saying in other threads that I'll keep on trying to explain the
» results just to sell it? If the former, then reread to learn something.
» Not all the grafts were placed in the front 1/2, most but not all. The
» rest were in the crown. Also if he were to lose the rest to a NW6 then the
» goal wouldn't be to re-establish the density but to have a natural decrease
» in density toward the crown. You're acting as if he has a hairline across
» his eyebrows and his eyes covered by this temple closure. We're not
» talking about a kid here. If anything I think we're known for being a
» little responsible with our patients than what you're trying to present
» here.

I dont want to talk about what i believe regarding your comments about HM and your sources...that is something that is over.David stopped it so dont bring the subject back since you should adress it when you had the chance.Inever called you "salesmen trash" bu the way!

Now regarding the transplant that you show us i believe what i say 100% and for sure you are trying to sell it, as it is your job, nothing wrong with it, i am here to comment and i dont think i am illogical, there are posters that say the same thing!!!I dont know if you noticed it but most of the posters dont buy it so dont blame it on me.

As for the responsible for your patients, i believe that you are one of the best strip clinics that i see in these forums and i have said it repeadetly.
On the other hand...

1. you are recommending to your patients to use dutasteride which is not approved for hairlosss...i find that very irresponsible
2. you use strip method which most of the clinics start to abandon and its barbaric for me...
3. you start bringing results that are "debetable" like this one...

well these things make me change my mind as i learn more and more in here...

Its nothing personal i am just very carefull and very demanding...



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marco

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01.08.2007, 23:03

@ Sofarsogood

Stripped out? FUE as needed... No?

» I think he looks very good.
»
» If he's "stripped out" after another procedure, couldn't he FUE "as
» needed" from this point on?
»
» We're talking the price of a nice Toyota, here fellas.
» Well worth it, IMO.
»
» Peace.

Yep, I agree with that. A good plan as the horse shoe progresses in this order.

1: strip (not overdone so no wide scars)
2: FUE + fill in strip scar if needs be
3: a) BHT (if your sofar, heli or a handfull of others or if it gets predictable or after a test session.
b) If BHT is no good then lift the rim of the horse shoe by reduction.
4: HM could be out by that time but probably not
5: Go to mexico for a person to person transplant if your nuts.

The most important thisng is that there is a plan should things progress.



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