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googoo

10.04.2011, 16:35
 

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Ok I admit it, I'm kind of dumb and all of this technical stuff is a little difficult to absorb. Please explain in lay terms what Gho claims to have. Is he transplanting stem cells from the donor area to the balding areas and growing hair or what? What does he have that some people are starting to call a cure? And can his new treatment be given to a patient quickly say a series of doctor visits over one to two months? Or will it take repeated trips to the doctor every 4 to 6 months for years till you have all the treatments done?

I like things like Acell or Histogen because they possibly mean that a patient goes to some location in the world and stays in a hotel for say 8 weeks and then maybe every 10 days for two months you get an injection and then after the two months you have had all the injections you will need and a few months later the new hair starts coming in all over your head. That sounds better to me than having to fly to Europe every 6 months because of having your donor area depleted and then having to wait 6 months for your donor area to rebuild and then go back to europe to have it depleted again and then have to wait 6 more months to have your donor replenished again, etc, etc, etc. It could take 4 - 5 years to recover a full head of hair this way.

Please tell me exactly what Gho has invented.




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Stevie.Dee

10.04.2011, 17:08

@ googoo

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

In easy words : He got infinite donor thats the whole story, nothing more and nothing less




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HMorHT

10.04.2011, 17:16

@ googoo

Gho donor hair follicle preservation by partial FUE peer reviewed study

I don't remember whether this has been posted before or not, here you go:

Donor hair follicle preservation by partial follicular unit extraction. A method to optimize hair transplantation.

Gho CG, Martino Neumann HA.

Hair Science Institute, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. C.Gho@Hasci.com
Abstract

BACKGROUND:

There are different stem cell pools located in the hair follicle.


OBJECTIVE:
To try to determine whether follicular units can survive a partial extraction and whether this partial extracted follicular unit can regenerate new hairs.


METHODS:
From five individuals, between 100 and 150 grafts were harvested from the occipital area of the scalp. Suitable grafts were implanted into the recipient area. Hair growth and characteristics in the donor area and the recipient area were observed at different intervals.


RESULTS:
After 3 months, between 92.1% and 104.1% (mean 97.7%) of the partial follicular units in the donor sites survived and produced hairs with the same characteristics. After 1 year, 91.1–101.7% (mean 95.9%) of the implanted partial follicular units regenerated hair growth with the same characteristics as the hairs in the donor area.


CONCLUSIONS:
We revealed that extracted partial longitudinal follicular units transplanted to the recipient area can be used as complete follicular units to regenerate completely differentiated hair growth with the same characteristics as in the donor area. We also revealed that the partial follicular units in the donor area can survive and produce the same number of hairs with the same characteristics. This technique enables us to generate two hair follicles from one follicle with consistent results and preserve the donor area.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 17:43

@ googoo

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

That article HMorHT posted by Gho and Neumann explains the procedure. Basically they are doing a hair transplant, but with a very specialized procedure where the follicular unit (FU) is transected up-and-down. This allows some of the hair stem cells to remain behind with part of the follicle, ensuring that the donor site will regrow. The other part of the follicle gets implanted in the receptor site, and since it also contains hair stem cells, it also grows into a healthy follicle. So as Stevie Dee said, it looks like infinite donor supply is now a reality.

I think the problem with your way of thinking is that you are comparing two things (ACell and Histogen) which are only pie-in-the-sky ideas that are currently being HYPED up as potential cures with no evidence, with HST, something that appears to be an actual cure that exists right now, and with good evidence to support it.

Part of the big evidence that convinced me about Gho is that Hasci WON a lawsuit about this recently. The complaint was filed by a group of European hair transplant clinics against Gho for "false advertising" about this HST procedure. The competitors said Hasci was misrepresenting the results, but the Dutch adjudicators found that Hasci was telling the truth.

I think that, and the website with the photos, is some very strong evidence right there.




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googoo

10.04.2011, 17:58

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» That article HMorHT posted by Gho and Neumann explains the procedure.
» Basically they are doing a hair transplant, but with a very specialized
» procedure where the follicular unit (FU) is transected up-and-down. This
» allows some of the hair stem cells to remain behind with part of the
» follicle, ensuring that the donor site will regrow. The other part of the
» follicle gets implanted in the receptor site, and since it also contains
» hair stem cells, it also grows into a healthy follicle. So as Stevie Dee
» said, it looks like infinite donor supply is now a reality.
»
» I think the problem with your way of thinking is that you are comparing two
» things (ACell and Histogen) which are only pie-in-the-sky ideas that are
» currently being HYPED up as potential cures with no evidence, with HST,
» something that appears to be an actual cure that exists right now, and with
» good evidence to support it.
»
» Part of the big evidence that convinced me about Gho is that Hasci WON a
» lawsuit about this recently. The complaint was filed by a group of
» European hair transplant clinics against Gho for "false advertising" about
» this HST procedure. The competitors said Hasci was misrepresenting the
» results, but the Dutch adjudicators found that Hasci was telling the
» truth.
»
» I think that, and the website with the photos, is some very strong evidence
» right there.


I agree that it's strong evidence that Gho's procedure works but I am right that Gho's invention would take 4 - 5 years for someone who needs to deplete his donor area multiple times.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 18:12

@ googoo

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» I agree that it's strong evidence that Gho's procedure works but I am right
» that Gho's invention would take 4 - 5 years for someone who needs to
» deplete his donor area multiple times.

I'm not sure it would take that long. Maybe if you're NW 6 or something in that range. Anyway, I don't think that each time the procedure is done it completely "depletes" your donor area. I really don't think Gho is intentionally going back and extracting the exact same hairs again. More likely he may be moving from one zone to another in the donor area, provided you have a donor area that is big enough to do that. I think he's just allowing some time for the donor site to heal up. Maybe the stem cells in the donor area go into a shock or stasis for a while if there is too much trauma to the area.

Look at the bright side of this. Every time you have the procedure done, you get that much closer to having a full head of hair. So what if it takes 3-4 years for some people? That's much better than waiting around 5-10 years for some of these bullsh-t drugs like Histogen -- which has shown ZERO evidence that it can regenerate a full head of hair -- to be approved by the FDA.

As for ACell, which is available right now, that stuff is the biggest joke and farce when it comes to new hair growth. With Histogen, at least there's some photographic evidence that shows, at the tissue level, it induces some new hair growth (although I don't think it comes close to having the potential to restore one's head of hair).

With ACell, there is not even THAT amount of meager evidence that it regrows anything. The whole thing is being hyped with no justification by a bunch of American HT surgeons. If they think it grows new hair or regenerates hair, where are the photos of shaved-down areas of scalp? Where are the scientific studies? Where are the hair counts?

Look at Gho's photos. He IS shaving down the donor areas to show growth. He DID give us hair count information in his journal article. He HAS shown us believable photos of regrown donor. AND, his clinic has won a lawsuit filed by obviously jealous and panicked competitors. And the lawsuit turned on exactly the issue of the truth or falsehood of what Gho is claiming. The Dutch regulatory authority which heard the case ruled clearly in favor of Gho and said Hasci was telling the truth.




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Stevie.Dee

10.04.2011, 18:56

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

Hey guys dont get so coc*y here because it seems we are the only guys here interested in REAL solutions.

I dont understand why people here are so afraid and desperate, pay 20.000 dollars for a stupid FUT performed by some doc nobody ever heared of and then ignore this sub forum here.

People are travelling to India for getting 1000 grafts but are not willing to travel to europe and get 1400 regenerating grafts instead? Hairloss can be strange sometimes. I mean three or more "Each other hating " guys here agree for once on such a thing called cure and nobody gives a shi* about it.

I mean, this is IT for the next few years. I mean if you have read this juristical paper where the deceide in favor for hasci you would have easily seen that this is it. Its so funny everytime i visit this forum i only see new toppics in the hairtransplant forum but not here.

But roger that do it, send those docs an email, i am also very very exited, what they gonna answer.I dont wanna know how many people here get 2000 grafts by FUT this month, when they could have around 4000 grafts (regenerative speaking) ones instead.

But nevertheless, two years i will get my dense FUE for the frontal area and then the crown down year by year by year till i am fully satisfied, but will stop with FIN there is no need anymore for this




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Iron_Man

10.04.2011, 18:57

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» AND, his clinic has won a lawsuit
» filed by obviously jealous and panicked competitors. And the lawsuit
» turned on exactly the issue of the truth or falsehood of what Gho is
» claiming. The Dutch regulatory authority which heard the case ruled
» clearly in favor of Gho and said Hasci was telling the truth.

That's right. Recently, I reported about this issue - at least, I tried to translate some of the most essential parts ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-81866-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 19:00

@ Stevie.Dee

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

I just sent one of those major docs an email, we'll see what he replies.




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Stevie.Dee

10.04.2011, 19:06

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» I just sent one of those major docs an email, we'll see what he replies.

Can you name a few because this will be total fun. I hope you send one to Dr Woods and Dr Rassmann :-)




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johndoe888

10.04.2011, 19:21

@ Iron_Man

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

iron man,
Please help me understand Dr. Woods and Dr. Mohebi affiliation or "declarations" with the lawsuit in your post above. I apologize in advance if this has been explained before.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 19:40

@ johndoe888

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» iron man,
» Please help me understand Dr. Woods and Dr. Mohebi affiliation or
» "declarations" with the lawsuit in your post above. I apologize in advance
» if this has been explained before.

I think what it likely means is that there may have been some non-European money, support and planning behind that lawsuit and the appeal. Obviously, a bunch of HT doctors and clinics got together to file the lawsuit, but I will wager that, behind the scenes, the ISHRS was involved big time, orchestrating this, funding it and pulling the strings. And, although its membership is global, the ISHRS is dominated largely by US hair transplantation surgeons.

So, I'm speculating a bit here, but I think the European plaintiffs were just "fronts" or proxies, more or less, for the big-time US hair transplant doctors which see Gho as a threat. Why would any knowledgeable person who is considering having a conventional HT or FUT performed have it done by a doctor who is not using the HST procedure now?

I hope that Gho was able to recover full attorney's fees for having to defend this.

I think the US hair transplant industry is, as usual, trying to protect its monopoly and profits, and the strategy is "Fight 'em over there, so we don't have to fight 'em over here."




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Stevie.Dee

10.04.2011, 19:52

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

I bow before you :-) you got it right. And i have the prove for the "Dont fight Em here" thing

I was banned for adressing the problem of "Panicking and Afraid hair clinics" at a german board ^^ There you have it

Here is a funny side note

"What do you guys think will happen if a hasci clinic opens up in the USA
" :-D :-D this will hopefully coming soon ^^




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 19:57

@ Stevie.Dee

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» I bow before you :-) you got it right. And i have the prove for the "Dont
» fight Em here" thing
»
» I was banned for adressing the problem of "Panicking and Afraid hair
» clinics" at a german board ^^ There you have it
»
» Here is a funny side note
»
» "What do you guys think will happen if a hasci clinic opens up in the
» USA
" :-D :-D this will hopefully coming soon ^^

Yep, exactly right.




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Stevie.Dee

10.04.2011, 20:07

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» » I bow before you :-) you got it right. And i have the prove for the
» "Dont
» » fight Em here" thing
» »
» » I was banned for adressing the problem of "Panicking and Afraid hair
» » clinics" at a german board ^^ There you have it
» »
» » Here is a funny side note
» »
» » "What do you guys think will happen if a hasci clinic opens up in the
» » USA
" :-D :-D this will hopefully coming soon ^^
»
» Yep, exactly right.

Thats btw the big "Dieing on rates" some users here have ben talking about some times. THe first wave of dieing clinics will succumb FUT clinics thats for sure.

I think that in 5 years the whole field of hair transplantation will change




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Iron_Man

10.04.2011, 20:34

@ johndoe888

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» iron man,
» Please help me understand Dr. Woods and Dr. Mohebi affiliation or
» "declarations" with the lawsuit in your post above. I apologize in advance
» if this has been explained before.

That’s a little bit difficult to explain, because the court previously (in the prior decision paper) just mentioned “a text” written by Dr. Ray Woods and yet, in their final decision paper, they mention “a declaration” by Dr. Parsa Mohebi too. Anyway, both “texts” were submitted to the court by the plaintiffs as “proof” that Dr. Gho’s HST procedure “can’t work”.

Concerning Dr. Ray Woods,
the following is everything I know, resp. what I assume what happend:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-71589.html#p71726

Concerning Dr. Parsa Mohebi,
recently, I was surprised myself that the authority suddenly mentioned Dr. Mohebi too, because I have been THE ONLY ONE, who EVER mentioned (several times) his name here on HairSite in connection with Dr. Gho’s procedure:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-73131-page-0-category-0-order-last_answer.html

Conclusion?
It seems that “someone” desperated tried to find ANY negative comments made by any researchers and/or hair transplant doctors to blame and/or to disprove Dr. Gho’s procedure (instead of just simply trying it – idiotic & INCOMPETENT folk!).

For instance, one of the plaintiffs (Transhair) is still trying to do so on their website:

http://www.transhair.nl/haartransplantatie/dossier-stamceltechniek.html

On one hand the quote Dr. Rassman’s bullsh’t comments he made on his “boldingblog”, on the other hand, they hype on their website with Dr. Gho’s patients, without mentioning who did the work – isn’t that ridiculously?

Here is what recently Dr. Gho posted on his website concerning this whole issue:
---------------------------------------------
Aktuelle Nachrichten:
März 2011: Beschwerdeausschuss (College van Beroep) entscheidet nach Verfahren zugunsten von HSI!

Nach dem Urteil der Reclame Code Commissie am 10. August 2010, sind Transhair B.V., Aesthetic Team B.V., Laser Surgery, Prohairclinic und Hairplus Medical Care gegen das Urteil beim College van Beroep in Berufung gegangen. Abermals wurde zugunsten von Hair Science Institute entschieden. Und dieses Mal ist die Entscheidung bindend.

Die scheinbare Frustration der oben genannten Kliniken in Bezug auf den Erfolg unserer Haarstammzellen-Transplantation® sorgte für eine Reihe von Beschuldigungen. Alle Anklagepunkte wurden durch Prof. Dr. Neumann, Erasmus Medical Centre, und Dr. Coen Gho vom HSI begründet widerlegt. Darüber hinaus wurde HSI’s Behauptung von "Haarmultiplikation" durch Prof. Dr. P. von Zuijlen, Professor an der VUMC-University, und von Dr. C. Lafaire, Medical Burn Center (Antwerpen, Belgien), bestätigt.

Die Fragezeichen, die u.a. Transhair auf ihrer Website bei unserer patentierten Methode platziert, macht unserer Meinung nach deutlich, dass wir HaarStamcel Transplantatie® nicht umsonst patentiert haben ...

Die vollständige Entscheidung des Berufungsgerichts, sowie die Entscheidung der Reclame Code Commissie vom vergangenen Jahr, welche Anlass für die Berufung war, finden Sie im nachfolgenden PDF.

Wir wünschen Ihnen viel Spaß beim Lesen.

---------------------------------------------

Try to translate it yourself first (German/English) and post your attempt.

p.s: I guess Gho meant with "u.a." (= among others) incompetent idiots like Rassman gg




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Freddie555

10.04.2011, 22:11

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» That's much better than waiting around 5-10 years for some of these bullsh-
» t drugs like Histogen -- which has shown ZERO evidence that it can
» regenerate a full head of hair -- to be approved by the FDA.

I'm doubtful about the ongoing hype about Gho but as always, time will tell.

I would not knock Histogen for they are moving forward with a purpose. One set of low cost shots and even with the onslaught of DHT, hair counts kept increasing for one year in the safety trials. Wait till they try higher and more frequent dosages before judging anything. If they can give us back even 15% of our hair and thicken it up, that's more than what Gho has delivered over the past 10 years by far!




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
10.04.2011, 22:41

@ Freddie555

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» I would not knock Histogen for they are moving forward with a purpose. One
» set of low cost shots and even with the onslaught of DHT, hair counts kept
» increasing for one year in the safety trials. Wait till they try higher
» and more frequent dosages before judging anything. If they can give us
» back even 15% of our hair and thicken it up, that's more than what Gho has
» delivered over the past 10 years by far!

I think it's unrealistic to assume that Histogen will work as an injectible agent, much less be approved by the FDA anytime soon.

Histogen is a kind of cocktail of cellular growth factors, and it may have all kinds of adverse effects and side-effects, short-term and long-term, including potential cancer/tumor formation. The fact that Histogen is not a single compound, but a more complex brew containing a lot of agents that act at the cellular, and maybe at the DNA level, will make it very hard for the FDA to perform a quick review of this stuff. And that is assuming it ever gets to the FDA. That alone could take years. Then once it hits the FDA bureaucracy, they've only begun the process.

The reason I think it's naive to assume this will work as an injectible is that once the injections stop, whatever progress was made in terms of generating new follicles, will become susceptible to DHT.

So the exposure to Histogen has to be regular and long-term, in my opinion.

Which just increases the costs and increases the inconvenience.

And that's assuming it works good enough. The only credible evidence WE have of that are a few photos which show some results, but not great results. Just fair to middling. And the photos DON'T show patients whose scalps have been treated with this stuff. They just show what appear to be some new hair follicles and hair shafts growing in histological cross section slides. That and some mouse/rat studies, I think.

So, what do we have here? A complicated brew of chemicals that is being tested in SINGAPORE, and which has ZERO chance of becoming legal in North America anytime soon. Something uproven to grow cosmetically-acceptable amounts of hair on live patients, with just some obscure, anecdotal laboratory evidence to back it up, which, at best, doesn't even show good results, just slightly better than Propecia results. Something that may very well cause harmful side effects... but we don't really care about that, do we? Not as long as we get some meager peach fuzz to grow on our heads. Maybe with a skin tumor or two for good measure!

All that from a small US biotech company with a very checkered history of lawsuits, missteps, bad management, and false starts...

Don't hold your breath for this stuff.




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Freddie555

10.04.2011, 23:02

@ roger_that

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

» Histogen is a kind of cocktail of cellular growth factors, and it may have
» all kinds of adverse effects and side-effects,

Their safety trials went very well. Not a single adverse reaction. I'm pretty sure their current trials for efficacy will also bare that out.

Can't really speak about the FDA beaurocracy. But if their trials prove safe enough, in theory we can just take a vacation to one of the countries they plan to setup their clinics in and get it done there.

» The reason I think it's naive to assume this will work as an injectible is
» that once the injections stop, whatever progress was made in terms of
» generating new follicles, will become susceptible to DHT.

We'll I'm already on Avodart and will stay on it. So there's no problem there. Bare in mind their results show that with a single shot, hair counts and thickness continued to increase 1 year after the mark - without any DHT blocker. I'm inclined to think that adding a DHT blocker would give a massive boost to the outcome.

» So the exposure to Histogen has to be regular and long-term, in my opinion.

Long term yes, regular remains to be seen. Assuming it does get to the US, what's the problem with getting one shot a year or two? The misery of hair loss is such that I'd do 1 shot a month without batting an eyelid.

» And the photos DON'T show patients
» whose scalps have been treated with this stuff.

That's because they have not done their efficacy trials to fine tune the best dosage and frequency of application I assume and don't want people jumping to conclusions and skoffing at their product.

» That and some mouse/rat studies, I think.

No that's human scalp.

» laboratory evidence to back it up, which, at best, doesn't even show good
» results, just slightly better than Propecia results.

If its slightly better than propecia and its effect is additive to propecia, damn right its significant. There sure as hell isn't anything out there that even comes close to propecia/avodart right now in terms of keeping you hair.
Don't you agree : www.twinshairloss.com (one twin on dutasteride, the other on nothing. 5 year time line)




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johndoe888

11.04.2011, 00:23

@ Freddie555

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

freddie,
What in particular turns you off to Gho and hsi? I ask this because your opinion is what the vast majority of people involved in hair loss seem to agree on. There is plenty of literature that is available online regarding recent advances. Is the reputation of the doc or the procedure that makes you and others dismiss this? Thanks in advance.




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bugler

11.04.2011, 07:42

@ johndoe888

Could someone please explain to me exactly what Gho has invented?

(This is a meesage worth reading. Thanks to everybody for not insulting and disrespecting others in this message at all.
I wish this long message were the norm. Well done)

Time will tell if some years down the road we can see many Gho's customers show a full head of hair.




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Follicular

11.04.2011, 08:15

@ googoo

The significance of Gho's new patent

The latest iteration of the Gho method appears to be protected by a comprehensive patent, which has been granted in some major markets and pending in others.

The granting of this patent has significant implications for the existing transplant industry, if:

A) Gho's method is indeed viable (which the Dutch court ruling suggests it is)
B) The Gho method is difficult to replicate using a similar transection technique that does not violate his patent.
C) If Gho is not willing to sub-licence his patent on reasonable commercial terms.

The fact that his case was recently brought to court suggests that a genuine breakthrough has been achieved that threatens the status quo. Otherwise, there would be no need to engage lawyers.




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 09:16

@ Follicular

The significance of Gho's new patent

» The latest iteration of the Gho method appears to be protected by a
» comprehensive patent, which has been granted in some major markets and
» pending in others.
»
» The granting of this patent has significant implications for the existing
» transplant industry, if:
»
» A) Gho's method is indeed viable (which the Dutch court ruling suggests it
» is)
» B) The Gho method is difficult to replicate using a similar transection
» technique that does not violate his patent.
» C) If Gho is not willing to sub-licence his patent on reasonable commercial
» terms.
»
» The fact that his case was recently brought to court suggests that a
» genuine breakthrough has been achieved that threatens the status quo.
» Otherwise, there would be no need to engage lawyers.

Jop thats exactly the point, those lawsuit clinics failed so long to provide something valuable to their patients and now they are really pis*ed like you cant imagine it.

In this lawsuit they checked both things, the advertisement on hasci homepage if it violates and they also and this IS important checked if this technique is actually working. And in the end both situations were proven as correct

A) Yes that was proven

B) Its only difficult if you dont wanna help the patients and therefore put your whole focus on your wallet

C) Maybe some docs should just ask him if they could buy a licence. But till today nobody has done this

And its right, why should clinics file a lawsuit just out of thin air? Exactly they filed this lawsuit in the hope they could bring this Breakthrough down, but that failed so hard because it was scientifically backed up. They filed this lawsuit because there business will lose customers really quick, just look here those clinics are staying :-)

You know they didnt even filed a lawsuit years before, so why now ;-) The fun thing is, that everyone of those clinics did in fact know that HST works but they were to lazy to go for this themselves.

So all i can say to every hairloss suffering person here is " GET PROACTIVE and dont get fooled by FUT and stuff because right now, even a NW6 guy can be NW1 again with a very good density and without scars"

Right at this moment (mid to end 2010 as well) you could see the slow and painful death or the beginnings of it in the whole hairloss industry. The worst enemy of clinics are "Educated Hairloss patients". Thats the worst thing for their business.

And just think about it, what would happen if some hasci clinics woul pop up all over the USA? I think thats the reason why a few docs are experimenting with Acell etc, cause they know they must pull up something valuable or in the long term they went bancrupt.

But with all this, i wouldnt rule Ari and Histogen out of the race. Because i think they will be the piece of cheery on your cake when it comes to seal your head. I really hope that all those FUT clinics did enjoy there 90s and early 2000 years because there wont be another decade for them, and thats for sure.

Fun fact, the first filed lawsuit against Gho was interesting, because some of the signing docs did withdraw their signature pretty soon, wonder why.

Anyway, if anyone is still depressed about hairloss, well get over it and book a flight to amsterdam and the world seems brighter :-)




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Andy_

Down Under,
11.04.2011, 13:55

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

>> C) Maybe some docs should just ask him if they could buy a licence. But till today nobody has done this

Exactly. This amazing breakthrough should be the focus of HT docs everywhere since it's great for their business (people can return for as many HT's as they need) and great for the patient (any desired result is possible).

I just hope Dr Gho is willing to provide all the tools, equipment and education necessary to other HT docs over the world so they can replicate it with the high success he has demonstrated so far (and possibly even beyond with further experience & research).

Perhaps licensing is his next step, now that he has the patent granted and the favourable court ruling? I'm sure this would take some time because a whole training program/apprenticeship may be required, not to mention the specialised equipment & tools that need to be manufactured, and then all the legal bits & pieces. Hopefully this happens sooner rather than later so the HT industry can move forward.




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bleachkit

11.04.2011, 14:31

@ Andy_

The significance of Gho's new patent

» >> C) Maybe some docs should just ask him if they could buy a licence. But
» till today nobody has done this
»
» Exactly. This amazing breakthrough should be the focus of HT docs
» everywhere since it's great for their business (people can return for as
» many HT's as they need) and great for the patient (any desired result is
» possible).
»
» I just hope Dr Gho is willing to provide all the tools, equipment and
» education necessary to other HT docs over the world so they can replicate
» it with the high success he has demonstrated so far (and possibly even
» beyond with further experience & research).
»
» Perhaps licensing is his next step, now that he has the patent granted and
» the favourable court ruling? I'm sure this would take some time because a
» whole training program/apprenticeship may be required, not to mention the
» specialised equipment & tools that need to be manufactured, and then all
» the legal bits & pieces. Hopefully this happens sooner rather than later so
» the HT industry can move forward.

While the potential of this technology is exciting. We have to see that it works as well as it is said to. In the end it's all about the cosmetic result.




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Freddie555

11.04.2011, 15:32

@ Follicular

The significance of Gho's new patent

» A) Gho's method is indeed viable (which the Dutch court ruling suggests it
» is)


Just because some court *thinks* its viable does not make it so.

For years, Gho watchers made people here believe he had the cure. Yet we came to find out it was smoke & mirrors.

If it took years for people here to clue in, some clueless judge certainly won't be able to see through the smoke in a quick ruling.

Let us first see the RESULTS of a FeW NW6 turning into a NW2 before getting on this Gho bandwagon again.




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 15:52

@ Freddie555

The significance of Gho's new patent

» » A) Gho's method is indeed viable (which the Dutch court ruling suggests
» it
» » is)
»
»
» Just because some court *thinks* its viable does not make it so.
»
» For years, Gho watchers made people here believe he had the cure. Yet we
» came to find out it was smoke & mirrors.
»
» If it took years for people here to clue in, some clueless judge certainly
» won't be able to see through the smoke in a quick ruling.
»
» Let us first see the RESULTS of a FeW NW6 turning into a NW2 before getting
» on this Gho bandwagon again.

Have you read the scientific paper. There is one picture of a person which fits your "Wish"

And to be fair i was more then only sceptical at first but the evidence is well overwhelming.

1) A won Lawsuit (advertisement and procedure)

2) Burning victims who got decent results

3) A convincing scientific paper

4) Nice donor close up foto after extracting 3800 Grafts (Iron.Man saw some "holes" in the donor but most of us dont so i think its up to 93% of original density)

5) In the sum of it, it leaves hairloss sufferes from the whole NW scale plan their future

6) You dont have to eat Propecia anymore

So to me yes this is in fact a cure which is available RIGHT Now. Also its performed TODAY.




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GoGiants1

11.04.2011, 16:04

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

» » » A) Gho's method is indeed viable (which the Dutch court ruling
» suggests
» » it
» » » is)
» »
» »
» » Just because some court *thinks* its viable does not make it so.
» »
» » For years, Gho watchers made people here believe he had the cure. Yet
» we
» » came to find out it was smoke & mirrors.
» »
» » If it took years for people here to clue in, some clueless judge
» certainly
» » won't be able to see through the smoke in a quick ruling.
» »
» » Let us first see the RESULTS of a FeW NW6 turning into a NW2 before
» getting
» » on this Gho bandwagon again.
»
» Have you read the scientific paper. There is one picture of a person which
» fits your "Wish"
»
» And to be fair i was more then only sceptical at first but the evidence is
» well overwhelming.
»
» 1) A won Lawsuit (advertisement and procedure)
»
» 2) Burning victims who got decent results
»
» 3) A convincing scientific paper
»
» 4) Nice donor close up foto after extracting 3800 Grafts (Iron.Man saw some
» "holes" in the donor but most of us dont so i think its up to 93% of
» original density)
»
» 5) In the sum of it, it leaves hairloss sufferes from the whole NW scale
» plan their future
»
» 6) You dont have to eat Propecia anymore
»
» So to me yes this is in fact a cure which is available RIGHT Now. Also its
» performed TODAY.

Are the hairs regrowing in the donor the same thickness or diameter as they were previously? And do the hairs transplanted in the recipient come out the same thickness as well because if so that's pretty much a cure for most people...



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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 16:29

@ GoGiants1

The significance of Gho's new patent

» Are the hairs regrowing in the donor the same thickness or diameter as they
» were previously? And do the hairs transplanted in the recipient come out
» the same thickness as well because if so that's pretty much a cure for most
» people...

Table III. Characteristics of the hairs in the donor area.

Average diameter of 10 hairs
a b c
Before
extraction (mm) 12 months after the extraction (mm)
1 55 54
2 94 93
3 56 55
4 82 80
5 65 63
Mean 70.4 69

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Table V. Characteristics of the hairs in the recipient area.

Average diameter of 10 hairs

Before extraction (mm) 12 months after implantation (mm)
1 55 53
2 94 91
3 56 55
4 82 80
5 65 66
Mean 70.4 69

After that it seems they grow with its original diameter

Here read this carefully : http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf




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GoGiants1

11.04.2011, 16:33

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

» » Are the hairs regrowing in the donor the same thickness or diameter as
» they
» » were previously? And do the hairs transplanted in the recipient come
» out
» » the same thickness as well because if so that's pretty much a cure for
» most
» » people...
»
» Table III. Characteristics of the hairs in the donor area.
»
» Average diameter of 10 hairs
» a b c
» Before
» extraction (mm) 12 months after the extraction (mm)
» 1 55 54
» 2 94 93
» 3 56 55
» 4 82 80
» 5 65 63
» Mean 70.4 69
»
» ------------
»
» Table V. Characteristics of the hairs in the recipient area.
»
» Average diameter of 10 hairs
»
» Before extraction (mm) 12 months after implantation (mm)
» 1 55 53
» 2 94 91
» 3 56 55
» 4 82 80
» 5 65 66
» Mean 70.4 69
»
» After that it seems they grow with its original diameter
»
» Here read this carefully :
» http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf

Can you link the picture of the guy who had 3000+ grafts extracted, the before and after his 3 procedures? That's the picture that's causing the stir here right?



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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 16:49

@ GoGiants1

The significance of Gho's new patent

Sure no probem, Iron.Man poisted it here somewhere. I am gonna search it and upload it here, it was very impressive and when i got it i will save it on ma harddrive thats for sure




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 16:54

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent Got the Picture GoGiant

There you go


[image]

As it has been said this result is impossible with FUE (you would see Shot gun white dots) and i dont wanna start on FUT here because we all know how the smiley looks like




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moopookoo

11.04.2011, 17:22

@ Stevie.Dee

What is Dr Gho's website or address?

Is the procedure already available?
What is his official website and address in Netherlands?


cheers




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 17:24

@ moopookoo

What is Dr Gho's website or address?

» Is the procedure already available?
» What is his official website and address in Netherlands?
»
»
» cheers

Available : Yes

www.hasci.com There you can find all the answers you need




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Iron_Man

11.04.2011, 18:08

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

» Before extraction (mm) 12 months after implantation (mm)
» 1 55 53
» 2 94 91
» 3 56 55
» 4 82 80
» 5 65 66
» Mean 70.4 69
»
» After that it seems they grow with its original diameter

Do you really think someone understands the BS you post?
[image]
In other words - there is NO DIFFERENCE after a certain period of time.

And that's completely normal in such a case ...
[image]




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Iron_Man

11.04.2011, 18:10

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

Respectively ...

[image]




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 18:19

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

Bla bla BS up yours Iron man the mm thing was a copy mistake because i copied it directly from the paper and it somehow didnt transform it correctly SO EFFIN WHAT

Do you think anyone understands your pictures if someone didnt read the whole paper? I doubt it, its like Spanish to some people.

I highly recommend that you guys read the paper carefully and mark everything you think is interesting.

As i said it before after a while the hair has its original characteristics, its like a thumbnail which got cut off, after a while it will grow normal again




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Iron_Man

11.04.2011, 19:42

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

» Bla bla BS up yours Iron man the mm thing was a copy mistake ...

Typing mistakes can be serious sometimes ...
[image]
According to Stevie.Dee, Gho is producing hairs with a diameter of ~70mm ...[image]




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 20:00

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

Yeah we know it already but i doubt that anybody here would have been like WOW such a diameter is awesome.

But the only crucial and important point is, that the diameter remains original and not like "experts" say " The hair diameter is less then bla bla bla"

And next time you find a mistake you can just normaly correct that one instead of starting a new flame war :-)




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Iron_Man

11.04.2011, 20:20

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

» According to Stevie.Dee, Gho is producing hairs with a diameter of ~70mm
» ...[image]

BTW – “diameter“ – Recently, I posted the following …

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-82532.html#p82556

[image]

-------------------------
EXCERPT
“Grafts were harvested with special hollow wave-tipped needles with an inner diameter of 0.35 to 0.6mm from the occipital area of the scalp.”

Source: http://ushairrestoration.com/follicular-stemcell-transplantation.php
-------------------------

Are there any explanations from experts here?

I mean, FOR WHAT uses Dr. Gho 0.35 mm (inner diameter) needles?




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 20:44

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

I said that 0,6mm are the maximum and everything else above is useless because it would resemble FUE because you extract the whole follicle.

Is this a rhetorical question? Because if the diameter is smaller then the follicle diameter....its fool prove because you simply cant extract "too much" of the follicle.

Or am i missing something here? if a follicle is lets say 1mm in diameter and you use a 1mm diameter needle, the whole organ is gone, but if you use a 0,4mm needle you extract just a part of the follicle.

Are you implying that Gho lies?




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Iron_Man

11.04.2011, 20:55

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

» I said that 0,6mm are the maximum and everything else above is useless
» because it would resemble FUE because you extract the whole follicle.
»
» Is this a rhetorical question? Because if the diameter is smaller then the
» follicle diameter....its fool prove because you simply cant extract "too
» much" of the follicle.
»
» Or am i missing something here? if a follicle is lets say 1mm in diameter
» and you use a 1mm diameter needle, the whole organ is gone, but if you use
» a 0,4mm needle you extract just a part of the follicle.
»
» Are you implying that Gho lies?

No. I implied "any explanations from experts here" - not from idiots.




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 21:03

@ Iron_Man

The significance of Gho's new patent

What "experts" you wont see any docs posting here thats for sure. But you could send an email to transhair, i bet they know the answer.

Anyway cant you just behave like a grown up, you even start to destroy Gho related threads, which is kinda crazy, especially when a lot of users here finally agree on something.

And you can call me idiot as much as you like, its negative for your rep not for mine because i can admit when i didnt post correctly or do mistakes. But i browsed through some of your answers and you did in fact missed to answer a crucial question posted by someone

"How can Gho extract those hairs correcty"

My idea is, that he uses the hair itself (the dead material) as a guidance for the needle




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Stevie.Dee

11.04.2011, 23:26

@ Stevie.Dee

The significance of Gho's new patent

Anyway i am not interested in keeping up fights here because they just dont work and dont bring us any further with anything here. So if you still wanna fight take it at least of important threads to the off toppic zone.

And now guys back to toppic




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