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Iron_Man

12.07.2011, 12:59
 

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns … (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

You guys remember singer Gerard Joling (51)?
[image]
Photo origin: http://media.nu.nl/m/m1dzlkcaaqry.jpg
(Joling after his 1st HST procedure)

He got his 1st HST procedure (1500 HST grafts) ~1.5 years ago …
THIS WEEK (week 28) he gets his 2nd HST procedure – and this time for his crown area.

Original article (Dutch):
http://www.nu.nl/achterklap/2559184/gerard-joling-scheert-af.html

Translation (Dutch/English):
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Fachterklap%2F2559184%2Fgerard-joling-scheert-af.html




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 15:58

@ hairman2

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» come back when someone has documented
» donor regrowth until then it's nothing but a normal FUE procedure.

Ok puss_y, I’m back now ...

Anyway, as you guys can see in the video/TV-broadcast I posted in my previous post, they documented Mr. Joling’s 2nd HST procedure in front of TV cameras
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[image]

Donor snapshots - donor regrowth - hair multiplication:

The following snapshots show Mr. Joling’s donor area SHAVED -after having already one (1) HST procedure in November, 2009, with 1500 extracted HST grafts ...
– not really “just a small number” in the traditional “FUE world” …
[image]
[image]
Okay, so now what?
Where the f.... hell are the mostly FUE-typical “white dots” (hypopigmentation)???
In case if there are no white dots – where the f….. hell are the TYPICAL hairless GAPS between the (shaved) hairs??

Dr. Gho reports in the video (interview in Dutch) that everybody can clearly see, that Mr. Joling’s donor area completely REGENERATED after having his 1st HST procedure (Nov 2009) – so always ready for further extractions/procedures in case if Mr. Joling needs them, as he did for his 2nd HST procedure for his crown area this time.

Anyway, in case any losers can't buy 2 or 3 or more such procedures, that does NOT mean something doesn't perfectly WORK!




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 14:36

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » Furthermore, there should also be a TV broadcast (RTL 4) available about
» » Joling's 2nd HST procedure on Sunday, October 16,
» 2011
.
»
» Hopefully someone records this TV broadcast tomorrow ...

Sorry guys,
I forgot to report. Anyway, it seems the TV-broadcast was delayed 1 week and the TV-broadcast was actually on Sunday, October 23, 2011.

Here you'll find the FULL VIDEO/TV-BROADCAST:
http://www.hasci.com/en/f9875b65-d817-4cee-b9df-0c55f7ddd678/0/In_the_media.aspx
[image]
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[image]
HINT: The documentaries and film reports were broadcast on Dutch television and are therefore in the Dutch language!




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Iron_Man

15.10.2011, 07:51

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » You guys remember singer Gerard Joling (51)?
»
» There are lots of NEW Gerard Joling photos on Gho's website ...
»
» http://www.hasci.com/
» (use the Dutch page!!)
»
» According to the report on Gho's website, Joling got this time 1650 HST
» grafts for his crown area and his (shaved) donor area (photos) actually
» looks completely "virgin".
»
» Furthermore, there should also be a TV broadcast (RTL 4) available about
» Joling's 2nd HST procedure on Sunday, October 16, 2011.

Hopefully someone records this TV broadcast tomorrow ...




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needhairasap

11.08.2011, 17:29

@ Skywalker

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » Its true that the average patient has 4000-5000 grafts available for
» FUE.
» » But good patients can surpass 10.000 grafts.
» »
»
» I believe this is complete BS, if it isn't then please show 3
» complete with the result of their donor area. I have never seen them.
»
» I believe one well known claimed 15,000 FUE was regularly possible !!! -
» guess how many such results he has shown ?
» None - Nada - Zero - zilch.
»
» Why not claim 250,000 from FUE - it is about as likely !



gho has put up about 20 videos on his site in the last 6 months.... more than most other doctors have posted in three years




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
11.08.2011, 15:18

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Its true that the average patient has 4000-5000 grafts available for FUE.
» But good patients can surpass 10.000 grafts.
»

I believe this is complete BS, if it isn't then please show 3 complete with the result of their donor area. I have never seen them.

I believe one well known claimed 15,000 FUE was regularly possible !!! - guess how many such results he has shown ?
None - Nada - Zero - zilch.

Why not claim 250,000 from FUE - it is about as likely !




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needhairasap

10.08.2011, 19:45

@ hairman2

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» and what exactly does this prove? come back when someone has documented
» donor regrowth until then it's nothing but a normal FUE procedure.
»
»


LOL. this guy doesn't think Gho regenerates..... I think its pretty much proven he does.. as for his consistency and the density and the possibility of nw7s getting full restorations... thats still up in the air... although this picture of Joling (who had 2 or 3 strips before this) goes a long way to prove

1. density.. thats a pretty dense result and it looks good shaved..

2. consistency... can't be that inconsistent if the guy just got a second procedure and he already had 2 or 3 procedures before then that half of which were STRIP procedures




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needhairasap

31.07.2011, 12:24

@ Spanish Dude

Hey Skywalker! Joling offers himself as Gho's "salesman"

regeneration or not the bottom line is that the downtime during HST is half as much as FUE and the hairs grow back WAY (were talking months) faster than FUE......

This is the best available treatment/option regeneration or not... (and I do think it regenerates... its the same theory as plucking mixed with FUE)




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Spanish Dude

30.07.2011, 14:35
(edited by Spanish Dude, 30.07.2011, 14:54)

@ Iron_Man

Hey Skywalker! Joling offers himself as Gho's "salesman"

http://www.gerardjoling.nl/nieuws/Gelukkig-nieuw-haar!

the guys at haarweb have translated it for me. Look at this:
>>>
(3)Whatever you think of a hair transplant: no man or young boy likes to be bald. Lets you at least inform good. You can always call my office or email for information or of course the Hair Science Institute in Amsterdam (020-5752330). You can ask for or Fredrick Dr Coen Gho.
<<<

So, apparently, you can call Joling's office or email him to ask for pictures of his donor.
However, its strange that he didn't reply your recent emails.:-P




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Stevie.Dee

30.07.2011, 13:20

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Nevertheless i think Gho should start with his 3000 or 4000 HST Single Session this year. As you said he can easily do this. If so this would dramatically cut the time you needed for full restoration, especially given that a NW7 would need 12.000 Grafts for an average of 70 grafts per square centimeter all over his head.

Those 2000 Graft sessions may be funny for you to as* kick haters like SD but its actually torture for every normal hair loss sufferer. I think that now phase 2 has to be started and this phase goes straight to higher densities and bigger sessions like 3000 for starters.

With 6000 Grafts you can fill in a nice amount of bald areas.

I just wanna give everyone here an example.

Do you guys remember the NW7 case from the hair transplant forum which got 8000 grafts on a big head and a large scale overall? Now think about how this guy would look like if those 8000 grafts would be placed from the front till all of them are used with an average of 70 density? Yes he would be a NW1 but with some very thinned out spots at his vertex area. And now assume that those 8000 grafts fully regenerate.......... Well in the second run he wouldnt even need 8000 Grafts, he would be good with 3000 and no significant thinned out areas or bald spots




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Iron_Man

30.07.2011, 13:00

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Anyway, once they are removed (~30% of the available "permanent" grafts),
» without any re-generation of hairs, these grafts are GONE for ever in your
» donor area - and then WHAT?? Body Hairs?

But that's NOT the only problem!
Some "worst case scenarios" (rather the reality) ...
[image]
Or the "regular case" ...
[image]

"or so"?
What told Dr. Gho Mr. Spencer Kobren recently concerning the "or so" growth rate (recipient site) in this field??

Or what is the following guy talking about?

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-90207-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html




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Spanish Dude

30.07.2011, 12:45

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Its true that the average patient has 4000-5000 grafts available for FUE.
But good patients can surpass 10.000 grafts.

Joling looks to me like one of the fortunate ones.

Still, it is pointless to keep this discussion, without hi-res images of Joling's donor area before,during and after the procedures.




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Iron_Man

30.07.2011, 12:32

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Some people have grat donor surfaces, that can be
» harvested for even 10.000 FUE grafts or more. Others are not so fortunate.
» Not everyone is the same.

Maybe "some people" - but that's not the reality/rule. The reality is rather like this ...
----------------------------------------------
Calculation of grafts
A typical patient has 50,000 follicular units (100,000 hairs, assuming 2 hairs per unit) on his scalp.

- Of these, 75% (37,500) are on the frontal scalp and vertex and hence are at risk of being lost.

- The occipital (permanent donor) area has 25% of the total hairs on the scalp (25,000 hairs or 12,500 units). Since a person can afford to lose half his hairs before he appears bald, of the 12,500 donor units, approximately half are available for harvesting (i.e., 6250). If one assumes 100 units per sq cm, one can harvest roughly 1700 follicular unit grafts (consisting of about 3400 hairs) in a donor strip of 14 cm x 1.2 cm.

----------------------------------------------

And for traditional FUE - max. 30% from the calculated ~12,500 available and "permanent" donor grafts = 3750 --> about max. 4,000 - 5,000 grafts (estimation/calculation in the HT field) ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-82993-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

I thought you already got the answer??

Anyway, once they are removed (~30% of the available "permanent" grafts), without any re-generation of hairs, these grafts are GONE for ever in your donor area - and then WHAT?? Body Hairs?




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Stevie.Dee

30.07.2011, 12:26

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» ja, ja, Iron_Man, we know that all persons are the same, and a single
» graphic can represent all persons.
» Joling lost part of the surface of the donor area due to the strips, but he
» still has a nice surface. This means that he had an even bigger donor
» surface at the beginning. Some people have grat donor surfaces, that can be
» harvested for even 10.000 FUE grafts or more. Others are not so fortunate.
» Not everyone is the same.

Doesnt matter Joligs scar is unrepairable and you can see how its into his flesh. Of course not everyone is the same but IronMan showed an Worst case scenario guy in this picture. And there is only a small area of real safe donor hair, its small pretty small and Gho is always harvesting from this small band, all the time.

And even Gho said that this Joling number is pretty high because the scar destroys a lot ofpossibilities. After my calculations, Joling messed this up with around 2000 additional Grafts you could easily harvest without adding the risk of inflammation.




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Spanish Dude

30.07.2011, 11:44

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

ja, ja, Iron_Man, we know that all persons are the same, and a single graphic can represent all persons.
Joling lost part of the surface of the donor area due to the strips, but he still has a nice surface. This means that he had an even bigger donor surface at the beginning. Some people have grat donor surfaces, that can be harvested for even 10.000 FUE grafts or more. Others are not so fortunate. Not everyone is the same.




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Iron_Man

30.07.2011, 10:52

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» my point is that in spite of his 3 strips, he still had a nice donor area
» to harvest FUE there.

Not really - just because you "can see a big hairy area" on a man's back of the head.
[image]
... and Joling already LOST a big part of this "black shaded safe donor zone".

And here you can see HOW someone can lose big parts of this safe AREA just with 1 small strip procedure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7WTU8Aq9U&feature=related




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Spanish Dude

30.07.2011, 10:05

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

my point is that in spite of his 3 strips, he still had a nice donor area to harvest FUE there.


»
» But anyway what was you point again?




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Stevie.Dee

30.07.2011, 09:53

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

what is your point? His donor area is not good he has a flesh n bulky deep scar, h is NW5, thinned on top, big head. had multiple strips or at least one hardcore one and now his second HST procedure. Combined Grafts via HST 3100.

So at least when we go from the 1000 Grafts per Norwood Scale thing, at least he is a NW2 by now with a good density. I think we will get the vertex shots after a few months.

Nevertheless his frontal region looks pretty good shaved down and i think they planted a 70 Grafts density or more there.

But anyway what was you point again?




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Spanish Dude

30.07.2011, 09:45

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Magnificent donor area, yes sir!
[image]
» Answer is simple, even he realises that the donor area is limited and that
» he did more harm to it in the 90s then good. Sorry but even with him being
» an advertising guy, i think even he is afraid of a depleted donor.
»
» His scar is worse pretty worse i dont think that you could plant some
» grafts into this, its so fleshy and bulky




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Stevie.Dee

30.07.2011, 04:43

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Answer is simple, even he realises that the donor area is limited and that he did more harm to it in the 90s then good. Sorry but even with him being an advertising guy, i think even he is afraid of a depleted donor.

His scar is worse pretty worse i dont think that you could plant some grafts into this, its so fleshy and bulky




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Iron_Man

30.07.2011, 00:05

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» but he has a surprisingly good donor area in spite of the 3 previous
» strips.
» So this patient is not as "difficult" as Iron_Man implied.
» Thus, this case is not proof of HM.

Sure, according to the experienced HT expert Dr. Spanish Dud, after already having 3 bigger strip procedures from ear to ear in the past, Joling could have with ease 5 - 10 strip HT's more and/or 10,000 - 15,000 traditional FUE procedures - no problem at all. Everbody can have this. No need for HM.

Spanish Dud, you should let confirm your diagnose (summarized by IronMan above) in the HT forum by lots of the other experienced HT experts - and you know, there are so many. Oh, and you should ask your expert friend bverotti, who also had traditional strip and FUE procedures in the past, for a photo of HIS shaved donor area for comparison, so that we are able to SEE whether or not HIS donor area is "surprisingly good" too. So everybody is waiting for the surprise ...

btw - Joling had his 3 strip procedures in the 90s. Why didn't he have traditional FUE since?
Instead of, he was wearing a hair piece. Why?




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Spanish Dude

29.07.2011, 16:44

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Hey Sd you retard can you show me the thinned out donor area btw?

that photo is just after the second extraction. You cannot evaluate his depletion as it is full of bleeding holes. But it would be interesting to evaluate it 1 week after the second extraction. Of course, I would need:
1. hi-res photos of the donor before the 1st HST,
2.and 1week after the 2nd HST.

Then we are talking.




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Stevie.Dee

29.07.2011, 16:18

@ Spanish Dude

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Hey Sd can you show me the thinned out donor area btw?




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Spanish Dude

29.07.2011, 16:16

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» The scar is pretty bad, pretty bad :-| even from far away

but he has a surprisingly good donor area in spite of the 3 previous strips.
So this patient is not as "difficult" as Iron_Man implied.
Thus, this case is not proof of HM.

[image]




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Stevie.Dee

29.07.2011, 15:57

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

The scar is pretty bad, pretty bad :-| even from far away




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Iron_Man

29.07.2011, 15:46

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» You guys remember singer Gerard Joling (51)?
»
» He got his 1st HST procedure (1500 HST grafts) ~1.5 years ago …
» THIS WEEK (week 28) he gets his 2nd HST procedure – and this time for his
» crown area.
»
» Original article (Dutch):
» http://www.nu.nl/achterklap/2559184/gerard-joling-scheert-af.html

The following is just a quick google translation. It’s the report in Dutch on Gho’s homepage regarding Gerard Joling’s 2nd HST procedure a few weeks ago:
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Radio 538 Nu.nl, reported it:

http://www.nu.nl/achterklap/2559184/gerard-joling-scheert-af.html

Gerard Joling undergoes on July 11, 2011 again a hair transplant. He opted again Hair Stem Cell Transplantation® from Hair Science Institute. Eighteen months ago, he already had an effective treatment at the HSI, apparently to his satisfaction.

Gerard Joling: "I must fill in my crown because it’s a bit thin there. I’ll do it in week 28. I have holidays and they immediately start again with a hair transplant. If someone sees me naked, there is nothing to worry about. I just fill up my crown.” And concerning his choice of HSI and its Hair Stem Cell Transplantation®: "The result is just better!"

This new hair transplantation procedure has nothing to do with previous treatments. This involves the progressive hair loss of Gerard’s 'old' hair, in this case his crown. And like last time, his head will be shaved as closely as possible again to take out the hair stem cells for replacement.
After the first procedure in November 2009, this is Gerard’s second hair stem cell transplantation procedure done at HSI. He hereby deliberately chose our successful technique and not for a traditional method.

Gerard will get 1650 HST grafts transplanted into his crown, a number which isn’t so small due to the fact that Gerard's donor area were severely damaged in the past (see photo with strip scar). Cause: earlier treatments by clinics who still use traditional transplant methods. Clinics, who intentionally downplay our Hair Stem Cell Transplantation® technique. Nevertheless, we will soon again enjoy Gerard Joling with a full head of hair. And thanks to our patented Hair Stem Cell transplantation® procedure, Gerard’s donor area always remains intact for future transplants.

From Gerard’s new treatment at HSI were also TV recordings captured and will be emitted by RTL 4 in their program Beauty+ TV on Sunday, October 16, 2011.
For a preview, you can in advance watch a broadcast on RTL Boulevard July 13, 2011.

http://www.rtl.nl/xl/#/u/449885e4-fd32-4575-bda2-685a0f50d988/
----------------------------------------------------------

Just in case you missed it, although I already mentioned this issue weeks ago in this thread, there are also 16 (all in all) new Gerard Joling photos on Gho’s (Dutch) homepage:

http://www.hasci.com/
[image]




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needhairasap

24.07.2011, 16:53

@ roger_that

you are all ...

how would this guy wear his hair so short if he had 1500 and now another 1500-2000 fue scars on the back of his head?







whens the last time you saw a fue patient with a buzz cut?

i've seen literally 3 (maybe less) fue patients who wear their hair that short after fue. Something tells me almost nobody can wear their hair that short after a regular FUE... especially not if they have 3k-4k grafts taken out the back...


oh an lets not forget the guy had 3 or 4 surgeries before...




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
14.07.2011, 20:50

@ suckhair

Suckhair, are you Fabio?

Are you Fabio from Friul?




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 17:20

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » Hey IronMan just for five seconds put our differences aside and take a
» look
» » at the dutch forum please.
»
» Who cares about this board. They are actually DEAD since many month (they
» have just forgotten to tumble over). Everything you can read over there are
» stories about guys who flew to Turkey for a "cheap" hairtransplant, and
» when they come back, they complain about the result over there. The other
» big interest over there are cheap hair tattoos. That's all. Now they
» noticed a bigger and bigger becoming interest for Gho's procedure and now
» they try to "regulatory step in" ...

Thanks i fully agree

Now lets hate each other again




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 16:58

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Hey IronMan just for five seconds put our differences aside and take a look
» at the dutch forum please.

Who cares about this board. They are actually DEAD since many month (they have just forgotten to tumble over). Everything you can read over there are stories about guys who flew to Turkey for a "cheap" hairtransplant, and when they come back, they complain about the result over there. The other big interest over there are cheap hair tattoos. That's all. Now they noticed a bigger and bigger becoming interest for Gho's procedure and now they try to "regulatory step in" ...




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 16:25

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Hey IronMan just for five seconds put our differences aside and take a look at the dutch forum please.

In one Gho related thread i asked the webmaster a question, you should copy those pictures just in case. I mean it seriously :-|

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=28875&page=2

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=28862&page=2




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 16:22

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» But iam only sold, when he got a third transplant in the range of 1600
» Grafts and above. Then i am sold i think

I guess you're sold since you were born ...

I really wonder what for I posted the links in my thread-start-post ...

Original article (Dutch):
http://www.nu.nl/achterklap/2559184/gerard-joling-scheert-af.html

Translation (Dutch/English):
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Fachterklap%2F2559184%2Fgerard-joling-scheert-af.html

Mr. Joling HIMSELF says that he already had 3 (!) bigger (according to his LONG strip scar) traditional HT's (all strip/FUT procedures!!) in the past, BEFORE he ever heard about "Dr. Gho"!

THIS WEEK (Monday) he already had -all in all- his 5th HT procedure in his life!!




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 15:31

@ Skywalker

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» The fact that HASCI has only updated the Dutch site with Joling's pictures
» is indicative and quite typical of them being very much concentrated on the
» Netherlands and not too bothered what anywhere else thinks.

Thats something between strange and understandable. Maybe because no one knows Joling in other parts of the world.

But iam only sold, when he got a third transplant in the range of 1600 Grafts and above. Then i am sold i think




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
14.07.2011, 15:13

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

The fact that HASCI has only updated the Dutch site with Joling's pictures is indicative and quite typical of them being very much concentrated on the Netherlands and not too bothered what anywhere else thinks.




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 14:16

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» So to sums things up, ...

Interesting. I thought that I already summed up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frWZsjVFynM




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 14:07

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » You are the real jerk because you bring up this old crap all the time
» and
» » put a childish smiley under it.
»
» ... but don't you agree that I mostly prefer links for PROOF & FACTS?
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-89064-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

Nope or otherwise you wouldnt accept a donor picture from 2 meters away.

Also you lost all credibility for your lies, i mean come on why are you still here when Gho can fix you.

Reason is simple, he cant because you are a fü cked up repair job.

So to sums things up, you are on FIN for over a decade, got four fat as* scars, no recipient growth, a NW5 to NW6 pattern, iceberg scars in recipient area, depleted donor and a huge area to cover. And above all your in your 40s and you had lost the best part of your life with this situation. Come on who is the psycho depressed guy here, definitely not me, thats for sure.

And you from all people dare to mock other people?

I know one thing for sure in 3 years you will sunk in and accept a pro bono repair job, thats for sure :-) i think you will touch up with body hair. Am i right? Of course i am.

I recenly read an interesting case study about patients with after surgery scars and their emotional problems. Pretty interesting stuff. Especially the parts about reversed psychology, i saw some patterns there.

Anyway enjoy your day




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 13:31

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» You are the real jerk because you bring up this old crap all the time and
» put a childish smiley under it.

... but don't you agree that I mostly prefer links for PROOF & FACTS?

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-89064-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 13:25

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

You are the real jerk because you bring up this old crap all the time and put a childish smiley under it.

Remember IronMan even the smileys cant hide your bitter scar filled face. You are like a sad depressive clown who inks a smile on his face, but its all a charade.

I mean seriously you keep on lurking at forums all the time while other people got treatments done by Gho and you? Well you are still here with nothing done, so i say your case is bad i assume




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 13:19

@ Skywalker

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » 1) we already know that HST leaves not the standard FUE white dots, so
» its
» » hard to examine it from that far away position.
» »
»
» Stevie, this is a fair comment but nevertheless that is about 3,000 grafts
» out of his donor area now isn't it (not sure about this) ? Although the
» picture admittedly isn't fantastic to use for evaluation purposes I can
» still say that from what we can see the donor looks mighty fine to me.
»
» You say that we already know that HST doesn't leave the standard FUE white
» dots - OK - but that is a MASSIVE deal in itself, at least to me. If he is
» doing standard FUE and he really is extracting successful grafts with 0.5/6
» mm tools that leave no scars how on earth is he doing it ? Nobody else can
» use such small tools with successful FUE results in the recipient area and
» nobody else guarantees no scarring in the donor area from FUE either.

Maybe - but RASSMAN can! HE is the inventor of "Hair Stemcell Transplantation" ...
-----------------------
Rassman: “I did report on Dr. Coen Gho in a previous post in a less-than-favorable light. My comments on him reflected what appears to be intellectual dishonesty. I have heard Dr. Gho speak publicly, and what he is doing is the classic FUE technique that I pioneered and published in the Dermatologic Surgery medical journal in 2002 (see here).
There is no doubt that the stem cells in the FUE grafted hair probably causes the growth, but his representations that this is anything more than a typical FUE procedure would be improper. I watched the video and saw what I and hundreds of good doctors have been doing for years. Dr. Gho performed an FUE procedure in the video, not a stem cell transplant.
Don’t get me wrong — I love new ideas, science, research, and invention… but in the end, I would like to see the results. Maybe a follow-up video in 6 months would be good, too.”

http://www.baldingblog.com/2011/07/13/video-of-dr-ghos-hst-technique/
-----------------------
[image]

What a jerk …




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
14.07.2011, 13:11

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» 1) we already know that HST leaves not the standard FUE white dots, so its
» hard to examine it from that far away position.
»

Stevie, this is a fair comment but nevertheless that is about 3,000 grafts out of his donor area now isn't it (not sure about this) ? Although the picture admittedly isn't fantastic to use for evaluation purposes I can still say that from what we can see the donor looks mighty fine to me.

You say that we already know that HST doesn't leave the standard FUE white dots - OK - but that is a MASSIVE deal in itself, at least to me. If he is doing standard FUE and he really is extracting successful grafts with 0.5/6 mm tools that leave no scars how on earth is he doing it ? Nobody else can use such small tools with successful FUE results in the recipient area and nobody else guarantees no scarring in the donor area from FUE either.

If the regeneration in the donor area is a fake then in bringing patients back for their second procedures he is taking a MASSIVE risk because the loss would start to become noticeable - and all his technicians and doctors would have to be in on the act too !

I am not saying that you are wrong to remain cautious because you aren't, but this is strong circumstantial evidence that he might be doing what he says he is doing - at least to me.

Thanks to Iron_Man for giving a heads-up on the pictures in the Dutch version.




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Stevie.Dee

14.07.2011, 09:55

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Nice one BUT

The Donor Picture, well is not a proof for several reasons

1) we already know that HST leaves not the standard FUE white dots, so its hard to examine it from that far away position.

2) The scar attracts the most attention here unfortunately, i was always drafted to the scar instead of examine the HST donor

3) Good thing, now we know that HST is at least on par with FUE two sessions

4) Not so good : Using GJ as an advertising boy, which comes with a bad foul stench

5) Donor picture is from too far away to really evaluate it

Conclusion : Bring me a third session with around 1600 or more Grafts and i am totally sold. Nevertheless i am more exited about the results from the german patient who is not a VIP :-)




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Iron_Man

14.07.2011, 09:25

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» You guys remember singer Gerard Joling (51)?

There are lots of NEW Gerard Joling photos on Gho's website ...

http://www.hasci.com/
(use the Dutch page!!)

According to the report on Gho's website, Joling got this time 1650 HST grafts for his crown area and his (shaved) donor area (photos) actually looks completely "virgin".

Furthermore, there should also be a TV broadcast (RTL 4) available about Joling's 2nd HST procedure on Sunday, October 16, 2011.




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Stevie.Dee

13.07.2011, 11:04

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » » » Why don't you send him an email?
» » »
» » » Iron_Man,
» » » what response did you get from Gerard Joling ? Did he respond
» ?
» » It
» » » would be good to know that and you are a great believer in this
» » procedure
» » » so it is impossible that you have not tried.
» » »
» » » By the way, I have eMailed him asking respectfully for photos of his
» » donor
» » » area before, just after, and when it had completely regenerated.
» »
» » THATS what i am talking about Thanks Skywalker for being
» proactive
»
» Nope, surely not.
»
» Besides your rants in this thread (and some of them got already deleted),
» you created just a few month ago "Gho is a liar" and "Gho - red flags"
» threads, and NOW they should be "proactive"??
»
» Actually, DUE TO WHAT EXACTLY?

Yours have been deleted to, still try to make people believe you are innocent.

@ Sceptic : :-) more off Joling is an advertising Boy, i posted his commercial for FUT transplants a while ago, so he will sell everything if the price is right i guess :-) dat Gerald Joling an de hair transplantatie van de stem cells Tot ziens




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Sceptic

13.07.2011, 08:45

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

Is it singer or single ? :-D




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Iron_Man

12.07.2011, 22:33

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » » Why don't you send him an email?
» »
» » Iron_Man,
» » what response did you get from Gerard Joling ? Did he respond ?
» It
» » would be good to know that and you are a great believer in this
» procedure
» » so it is impossible that you have not tried.
» »
» » By the way, I have eMailed him asking respectfully for photos of his
» donor
» » area before, just after, and when it had completely regenerated.
»
» THATS what i am talking about Thanks Skywalker for being proactive

Nope, surely not.

Besides your rants in this thread (and some of them got already deleted), you created just a few month ago "Gho is a liar" and "Gho - red flags" threads, and NOW they should be "proactive"??

Actually, DUE TO WHAT EXACTLY?




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Stevie.Dee

12.07.2011, 19:52

@ Skywalker

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » Why don't you send him an email?
»
» Iron_Man,
» what response did you get from Gerard Joling ? Did he respond ? It
» would be good to know that and you are a great believer in this procedure
» so it is impossible that you have not tried.
»
» By the way, I have eMailed him asking respectfully for photos of his donor
» area before, just after, and when it had completely regenerated.

THATS what i am talking about Thanks Skywalker for being proactive




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
12.07.2011, 19:12

@ Stevie.Dee

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» Why don't you send him an email?

Iron_Man,
what response did you get from Gerard Joling ? Did he respond ? It would be good to know that and you are a great believer in this procedure so it is impossible that you have not tried.

By the way, I have eMailed him asking respectfully for photos of his donor area before, just after, and when it had completely regenerated.




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Stevie.Dee

12.07.2011, 17:56

@ hairman2

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » » AND WHY YOU DO NOT GET THE SUPER GHO HM !? because you are a
» » lier !!!!!
» »
» » I guess you mean lion. Yeah, mostly I feel like a lion. Thanks.
»
» omg... what a brilliant comeback...
»
» how old are you? three?

Its always sad to see a person with multiple scars at his back (IronMan) mocking other people who at least have the guts to say they did a bad bad mistake.

Right now i really begin to ask myself why hair site doesnt ban IronMan




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hairman2

12.07.2011, 17:54

@ Iron_Man

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» » AND WHY YOU DO NOT GET THE SUPER GHO HM !? because you are a
» lier !!!!!
»
» I guess you mean lion. Yeah, mostly I feel like a lion. Thanks.

omg... what a brilliant comeback...

how old are you? three?




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Iron_Man

12.07.2011, 17:48

@ suckhair

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» AND WHY YOU DO NOT GET THE SUPER GHO HM !? because you are a lier !!!!!

I guess you mean lion. Yeah, mostly I feel like a lion. Thanks.




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Iron_Man

12.07.2011, 17:45

@ suckhair

HST – Singer Gerard Joling returns …

» the results of Gho are crap, ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/personal_journal-pj-531.html

Like yours?

NONE of Gho's HST patients reported something LIKE THAT! :-D




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