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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 08:13
 

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

I'm very excited on starting a new phase and new treatment approach. I have been searching on how to increase angiogenesis or blood vessel formation in the scalp. VEGF is one thing that increases that and there are several pathways that are involved in angiogenesis. That includes histidine, which is precursor for histamine that helps in angiogenesis. Also, prostaglandins like Latisse(bimatoprost) are also involved an increase blood vessel formation.

Now I have been on Latisse again for 7 weeks now, and have taken pictures before I started and after... and will post them soon, so dont worry.

But at the same time I have been looking at other ways to increase angiogenesis. I have always wondered why hair loss in men is in a certain pattern. Hair at the back and sides always even on very old men, is still there yet they have no hair on the top, crown area and front.

This led me to findout out about skull expansion etc which makes sense to a big degree. It states that DHT is responsible for bone resportion and remodeling which does not stop just at puberty but continues througout your lifetime. It also states that people with more of a square head shape than a roundshape are more likely to keep their hair because their remodeling happens in a different way and I can attest to that and have always noticed how Red indians, south american indians, and people of Alaskan Inuit descent all have mostly square head shapes and barely ever have I seen any hairloss them.

So one route is to inhibit topical DHT which I will do through topical estrogen which might help to slow or alter the bone resorption/remodeling. But at the same time its obvious to me that when my hair loss started at 17, with a very small bald spot right where the hair grows out of at the crowne, it steadily and slowly over many years expanded to start including my entire crowne area... and than spreading in a circular pattern and diffuse thinning than to the front too and also back area, but not the very bottom back where of course i have all my hair.... and where there is no hard skull area.. but more soft tissue...so its like a progressive disease if you will, that spread not rapidly if one thinks about it, but took several years... so what is missing is the layers of fat and blood vessels, espeically the browne adipose tissue which is " Cold exposure produces adaptive hyperplasia and growth of brown adipose tissue (BAT), the major site of non-shivering thermogenesis in rodents, associated with increased angiogenesis in this tissue" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1218903/

as mentioned in that article. From my research I have found it that cryotherapy is commonly used to initiate angiogenesis! This is something that can be done at home using different wart freezing sprays/etc that have freezing temps of -10 to -70 degree Celsius. Once the tissue is destroyed at the much lower temperature, blood vessels form around the damaged tissue and than start spreading and growing into the damaged area and thus new vessels are formed. This treatment is used for cancer patients who suffer from alopecia. you can google it and here is a link: http://www.livestrong.com/article/228699-how-to-prevent-hair-loss-from-chemo/

So your brown fat tissue is increaese as one of the websites relating to skull expansion states is needed to increase normal hair regrowth, implying thus that browne adipose tissue is missing or decreaed due to the streching of the skull. And if we touch are top hard skull parts and right at the back/top crowne area, we can feel that there is not much fat there, compared to the very back or sides. So this all makes sense. If DHT was soley responsible for our hair loss as most of the corporate zombie American pharmaceuticals will have us believe, just so we can buy more of their chemical castration Propecia which turns a man into a asexual/zombie with low libido and no self esteem, ya forget that but what I was saying was --- than we wouldn't have hair anywhere, because DHT actually causes hair growth and not just all over the body but if you even just take hair on the head, why is it that DHT somehow isn't able to affect the hair right south of the horshoe line?? I mean, the same blood supply is flowing through the entire body so DHT cannot be a very significant cause in hair loss. Now DHT helps bone remodeling and resorption and in some people due to genetics and other factors it affects the skull more than some other races, but the point is it is a problem that can be solved in my opinion.

I am going to attempt doing cryotherapy (freezing) my scalp few areas at a time, starting with the most bald/thinning, which is the crowne. Once the area starts to get revascularized and also browne adipose tissue fat deposting again, than I am sure my hair will start to grown again like it already does on my head but something hard and big (my top skull area) is blocking my hair from growing as healthy and normally as before.

Curcumin, Resveratorl (decreases angiognesis) and grape seed extracts and all the other crap especially green tea all hurt http://greentealovers.com/greenteahealthcancer-slct.cfm?type=%22Cancer:%20Angiogenesis%22

all hurt angiogenesis and really are a waste of time! and money! Think about it.. .it has been decades since people have been taking all this nonsense yet I have yet to see after sooo many years one real set of pictures before and after.... wich photos taken every few weeks not just one photoshopped lame picture... i have yet to see a single time that any of this crap grew hair!!????

So why are we still trying to use these same things in different topicals?? They dont work! I know why though and that is because we all have lost hope so we are willing to try anything, even if that means try something again.

Trust me I know, im 28 and it sucks to not have my full head of hair like I did until I was about 23, than the hair loss just became very noticeable. It started of course when I was 17.

Now I am sure there some people with round skulls yet have a thick set of hair. But for the most part I have noticed it is guys with the arnold terminator square head look that mostly keep their hair.

But again the point is more than the shape of the head,,,, is whats underneath your scalp. If you are missing browne tissue adipose than you have less vascularization and thus like the slow pattern i mentioned before... it happens slowly and slowly until no more significant blood vessels are there for hair to get nutrients.

So the current topical I am using mainly has things to encourage angiogenesis.

I am using NO Infuse topical spray which includes l-arginine and other things such as ATP for increased energy and nitric oxide production, which the lining of your blood vessels release, and which play a key role in angiogenesis and blood vessel formation. http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/18/2133.full

Also I have thrown in that same bottle,
1. Nanogen VEGF Plant Serum
2. Thymosin Spray by Douglas Labs (for possible thymosin stem cell activation)
3. Melatonin (which has been used to treat alopecia in dog fur, bet you didn't know that ) http://www.melatek.net/images/Kirks_III_article.pdf

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5772150_melatonin-dog-hair-growth.html

4. crushed Vitamin B-12 tablets
5. Rasberry Ketone powder from capsules( for increased IGF-1 production , which basically leads to more skin elasticity and a healthier skin and other functions. Decreases after age 30 so I figured if it helps with youth probably good for hair. There are some studies that indicate that IGF1 is not good for hair growth. But I find most state that it does help with skin and hair, and not to mention proven for muscle growth. Body builders use it. Key emphasis on the word 'growth'

6. Also a few vials of bimatoprost(latisse). I use latisse seperately too directly from the little bottle it comes in on my scalp, but I also mixed it in my Super topical mix that I have also with everything else in it as mentioned above.

So with all this combined I feel like I am giving my scalp the necessary ingredients to get my hair growing again through of course, angiogenesis.

But seperately as I mentioned I will try the cryotherapy in the next few days once I get paid at the end of the week. It won't cost much to get this stuff. Its available at walgreens and online. Key thing is to get something that goes below just -10 celsius so their is more tissue destruction. Preferably around -40 to -70 degrees. The key thing is to do small areas at a time and not your entire scalp! I will probably split it into 4 or 5 segments so that it does not hurt too much.

The research I have done indicates that cold temperature leads to angiogenesis in humans as well as rats/hamsters etc.

I guess that is the body's way of trying to continue providing nutrients to key areas of the body. It makes way more sense, all of this that is to me than the DHT inhibition propecia and body bloatin hurt huring Rogaine crap we have been fed for sooo many years.

The stem cells in a bald scalp area are the same as everywher else on the scalp...
http://www.baumanblog.com/follicleblog/2011/01/stem-cells-may-hold-the-cure-for-baldness.html

and they proved that they actually are very miniaturized hair follicles still present in the scalp, but just invisible to the naked eye!

So lets see how this all goes. I will post pictures of my Latisse (bimatoprost) experiment at the 2 months mark which is in about a week, so just hold on.

I would love to hear what you guys have to say.........and thanks for reading my very long post, much appreciated !




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 08:15

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

I forgot to mention that I also recently started applying
Dermol, which is a very strong topical steroid cream.

I am using that only sparingly once a day just for 2 weeks at a time.

Also, been applying topical heparin gel which is anticoagulant agent.
It helps thin your blood and also destroy clots and increase vascularization.

So yes, a lot of things... and I am hoping to start seeing results !

Will keep you updated! with pictueres of course




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 08:21

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

Let me also add, that the cryotherapy also goes with what we have heard before a lot by now and that is wounding the scalp and triggering stem cells/wound repair etc.

Seems like the latisse, and other angiogenesis activating/forming ingredients im using in my topical spray will work better once their is actual wounding, because the body itself will do most of the work without any drug and start forming vessels. Although it helps I think to use the topicals in conjunction.




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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KO

13.02.2012, 08:51

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

Nothing wrong with experimenting, but I think it's a terrible idea. MPB has nothing to do with skull shape or size (I have a square head).

If I were you, I'd focus on experimenting with topicals that attack androgen receptors, things like curcumin which is a good idea. Even Latisse alone is a good idea.




KO is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO


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gutted2

13.02.2012, 11:29

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

another thing which ive notcied is people with bald heads DO NOT have any sort of dandruff what soever on thier scalps? but in thier earlier years, when hair was present, they almost certainly did.

Also dandruff almost NEVER affects the back/sides of a head? i never have dandruff in this area, sebum is not produced there.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 17:40

@ KO

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

» Nothing wrong with experimenting, but I think it's a terrible idea. MPB has
» nothing to do with skull shape or size (I have a square head).
»
» If I were you, I'd focus on experimenting with topicals that attack
» androgen receptors, things like curcumin which is a good idea. Even Latisse
» alone is a good idea.

As I mentioned KO, its not necessary the shape of the head that is the entire problem, its has to do more with the brown adipose tissue missing.




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 17:43

@ KO

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

» Nothing wrong with experimenting, but I think it's a terrible idea. MPB has
» nothing to do with skull shape or size (I have a square head).
»
» If I were you, I'd focus on experimenting with topicals that attack
» androgen receptors, things like curcumin which is a good idea. Even Latisse
» alone is a good idea.

SHow me a real set of pictures or videos showing you or anyone else grew your hair on curcumin?? As I mentioned in the post, stop the nonsense. Curcumin actually discourages growth.




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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Ahab

13.02.2012, 19:04

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

I suspect the way Cryotherapy is used to prevent hair loss in cancer patients when getting chemo, is that Cryotherapy lowers the temperature of hair follicles and constricts capillaries that support the follices, thereby slowing follicle metabolism and reducing blood flow.

By lowering the metabolism in the hair follicles, it reduces their need for blood, and by constricting the capillaries, it reduces the amount of blood that can be fed to the follicles in any case.

Reducing the blood supply would also be reducing the amount of chemo, which is in the blood, that the follicles would take in, making it less likely that the chemo will poison any follicles.

If true, Cryotherapy would no help at all for affected with mpb.



» I'm very excited on starting a new phase and new treatment approach. I have
» been searching on how to increase angiogenesis or blood vessel formation in
» the scalp. VEGF is one thing that increases that and there are several
» pathways that are involved in angiogenesis. That includes histidine, which
» is precursor for histamine that helps in angiogenesis. Also, prostaglandins
» like Latisse(bimatoprost) are also involved an increase blood vessel
» formation.
»
» Now I have been on Latisse again for 7 weeks now, and have taken pictures
» before I started and after... and will post them soon, so dont worry.
»
» But at the same time I have been looking at other ways to increase
» angiogenesis. I have always wondered why hair loss in men is in a certain
» pattern. Hair at the back and sides always even on very old men, is still
» there yet they have no hair on the top, crown area and front.
»
» This led me to findout out about skull expansion etc which makes sense to a
» big degree. It states that DHT is responsible for bone resportion and
» remodeling which does not stop just at puberty but continues througout your
» lifetime. It also states that people with more of a square head shape than
» a roundshape are more likely to keep their hair because their remodeling
» happens in a different way and I can attest to that and have always noticed
» how Red indians, south american indians, and people of Alaskan Inuit
» descent all have mostly square head shapes and barely ever have I seen any
» hairloss them.
»
» So one route is to inhibit topical DHT which I will do through topical
» estrogen which might help to slow or alter the bone resorption/remodeling.
» But at the same time its obvious to me that when my hair loss started at
» 17, with a very small bald spot right where the hair grows out of at the
» crowne, it steadily and slowly over many years expanded to start including
» my entire crowne area... and than spreading in a circular pattern and
» diffuse thinning than to the front too and also back area, but not the very
» bottom back where of course i have all my hair.... and where there is no
» hard skull area.. but more soft tissue...so its like a progressive disease
» if you will, that spread not rapidly if one thinks about it, but took
» several years... so what is missing is the layers of fat and blood vessels,
» espeically the browne adipose tissue which is " Cold exposure produces
» adaptive hyperplasia and growth of brown adipose tissue (BAT), the major
» site of non-shivering thermogenesis in rodents, associated with increased
» angiogenesis in this tissue"
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1218903/
»
» as mentioned in that article. From my research I have found it that
» cryotherapy is commonly used to initiate angiogenesis! This is something
» that can be done at home using different wart freezing sprays/etc that have
» freezing temps of -10 to -70 degree Celsius. Once the tissue is destroyed
» at the much lower temperature, blood vessels form around the damaged tissue
» and than start spreading and growing into the damaged area and thus new
» vessels are formed. This treatment is used for cancer patients who suffer
» from alopecia. you can google it and here is a link:
» http://www.livestrong.com/article/228699-how-to-prevent-hair-loss-from-chemo/
»
» So your brown fat tissue is increaese as one of the websites relating to
» skull expansion states is needed to increase normal hair regrowth, implying
» thus that browne adipose tissue is missing or decreaed due to the streching
» of the skull. And if we touch are top hard skull parts and right at the
» back/top crowne area, we can feel that there is not much fat there,
» compared to the very back or sides. So this all makes sense. If DHT was
» soley responsible for our hair loss as most of the corporate zombie
» American pharmaceuticals will have us believe, just so we can buy more of
» their chemical castration Propecia which turns a man into a asexual/zombie
» with low libido and no self esteem, ya forget that but what I was saying
» was --- than we wouldn't have hair anywhere, because DHT actually causes
» hair growth and not just all over the body but if you even just take hair
» on the head, why is it that DHT somehow isn't able to affect the hair right
» south of the horshoe line?? I mean, the same blood supply is flowing
» through the entire body so DHT cannot be a very significant cause in hair
» loss. Now DHT helps bone remodeling and resorption and in some people due
» to genetics and other factors it affects the skull more than some other
» races, but the point is it is a problem that can be solved in my opinion.
»
» I am going to attempt doing cryotherapy (freezing) my scalp few areas at a
» time, starting with the most bald/thinning, which is the crowne. Once the
» area starts to get revascularized and also browne adipose tissue fat
» deposting again, than I am sure my hair will start to grown again like it
» already does on my head but something hard and big (my top skull area) is
» blocking my hair from growing as healthy and normally as before.
»
» Curcumin, Resveratorl (decreases angiognesis) and grape seed extracts and
» all the other crap especially green tea all hurt
» http://greentealovers.com/greenteahealthcancer-slct.cfm?type=%22Cancer:%20Angiogenesis%22
»
» all hurt angiogenesis and really are a waste of time! and money! Think
» about it.. .it has been decades since people have been taking all this
» nonsense yet I have yet to see after sooo many years one real set of
» pictures before and after.... wich photos taken every few weeks not just
» one photoshopped lame picture... i have yet to see a single time that any
» of this crap grew hair!!????
»
» So why are we still trying to use these same things in different topicals??
» They dont work! I know why though and that is because we all have lost hope
» so we are willing to try anything, even if that means try something again.
»
» Trust me I know, im 28 and it sucks to not have my full head of hair like I
» did until I was about 23, than the hair loss just became very noticeable.
» It started of course when I was 17.
»
» Now I am sure there some people with round skulls yet have a thick set of
» hair. But for the most part I have noticed it is guys with the arnold
» terminator square head look that mostly keep their hair.
»
» But again the point is more than the shape of the head,,,, is whats
» underneath your scalp. If you are missing browne tissue adipose than you
» have less vascularization and thus like the slow pattern i mentioned
» before... it happens slowly and slowly until no more significant blood
» vessels are there for hair to get nutrients.
»
» So the current topical I am using mainly has things to encourage
» angiogenesis.
»
» I am using NO Infuse topical spray which includes l-arginine and other
» things such as ATP for increased energy and nitric oxide production, which
» the lining of your blood vessels release, and which play a key role in
» angiogenesis and blood vessel formation.
» http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/18/2133.full
»
» Also I have thrown in that same bottle,
» 1. Nanogen VEGF Plant Serum
» 2. Thymosin Spray by Douglas Labs (for possible thymosin stem cell
» activation)
» 3. Melatonin (which has been used to treat alopecia in dog fur, bet you
» didn't know that )
» http://www.melatek.net/images/Kirks_III_article.pdf
»
» http://www.ehow.com/facts_5772150_melatonin-dog-hair-growth.html
»
» 4. crushed Vitamin B-12 tablets
» 5. Rasberry Ketone powder from capsules( for increased IGF-1 production ,
» which basically leads to more skin elasticity and a healthier skin and
» other functions. Decreases after age 30 so I figured if it helps with youth
» probably good for hair. There are some studies that indicate that IGF1 is
» not good for hair growth. But I find most state that it does help with skin
» and hair, and not to mention proven for muscle growth. Body builders use
» it. Key emphasis on the word 'growth'
»
» 6. Also a few vials of bimatoprost(latisse). I use latisse seperately too
» directly from the little bottle it comes in on my scalp, but I also mixed
» it in my Super topical mix that I have also with everything else in it as
» mentioned above.
»
» So with all this combined I feel like I am giving my scalp the necessary
» ingredients to get my hair growing again through of course, angiogenesis.
»
» But seperately as I mentioned I will try the cryotherapy in the next few
» days once I get paid at the end of the week. It won't cost much to get this
» stuff. Its available at walgreens and online. Key thing is to get something
» that goes below just -10 celsius so their is more tissue destruction.
» Preferably around -40 to -70 degrees. The key thing is to do small areas at
» a time and not your entire scalp! I will probably split it into 4 or 5
» segments so that it does not hurt too much.
»
» The research I have done indicates that cold temperature leads to
» angiogenesis in humans as well as rats/hamsters etc.
»
» I guess that is the body's way of trying to continue providing nutrients to
» key areas of the body. It makes way more sense, all of this that is to me
» than the DHT inhibition propecia and body bloatin hurt huring Rogaine crap
» we have been fed for sooo many years.
»
» The stem cells in a bald scalp area are the same as everywher else on the
» scalp...
» http://www.baumanblog.com/follicleblog/2011/01/stem-cells-may-hold-the-cure-for-baldness.html
»
» and they proved that they actually are very miniaturized hair follicles
» still present in the scalp, but just invisible to the naked eye!
»
» So lets see how this all goes. I will post pictures of my Latisse
» (bimatoprost) experiment at the 2 months mark which is in about a week, so
» just hold on.
»
» I would love to hear what you guys have to say.........and thanks for
» reading my very long post, much appreciated !




Ahab is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO


Post reply
jarjarbinx

13.02.2012, 19:20

@ Ahab

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

One of the Acell + PRP docs intends to try to improve the efficacy of Acell by freeze-drying some aspect of the treatment. Does that sound beneficial?




» I suspect the way Cryotherapy is used to prevent hair loss in cancer
» patients when getting chemo, is that Cryotherapy lowers the temperature of
» hair follicles and constricts capillaries that support the follices,
» thereby slowing follicle metabolism and reducing blood flow.
»
» By lowering the metabolism in the hair follicles, it reduces their need for
» blood, and by constricting the capillaries, it reduces the amount of blood
» that can be fed to the follicles in any case.
»
» Reducing the blood supply would also be reducing the amount of chemo, which
» is in the blood, that the follicles would take in, making it less likely
» that the chemo will poison any follicles.
»
» If true, Cryotherapy would no help at all for affected with mpb.
»
»
»
» » I'm very excited on starting a new phase and new treatment approach. I
» have
» » been searching on how to increase angiogenesis or blood vessel formation
» in
» » the scalp. VEGF is one thing that increases that and there are several
» » pathways that are involved in angiogenesis. That includes histidine,
» which
» » is precursor for histamine that helps in angiogenesis. Also,
» prostaglandins
» » like Latisse(bimatoprost) are also involved an increase blood vessel
» » formation.
» »
» » Now I have been on Latisse again for 7 weeks now, and have taken
» pictures
» » before I started and after... and will post them soon, so dont worry.
» »
» » But at the same time I have been looking at other ways to increase
» » angiogenesis. I have always wondered why hair loss in men is in a
» certain
» » pattern. Hair at the back and sides always even on very old men, is
» still
» » there yet they have no hair on the top, crown area and front.
» »
» » This led me to findout out about skull expansion etc which makes sense to
» a
» » big degree. It states that DHT is responsible for bone resportion and
» » remodeling which does not stop just at puberty but continues througout
» your
» » lifetime. It also states that people with more of a square head shape
» than
» » a roundshape are more likely to keep their hair because their remodeling
» » happens in a different way and I can attest to that and have always
» noticed
» » how Red indians, south american indians, and people of Alaskan Inuit
» » descent all have mostly square head shapes and barely ever have I seen
» any
» » hairloss them.
» »
» » So one route is to inhibit topical DHT which I will do through topical
» » estrogen which might help to slow or alter the bone
» resorption/remodeling.
» » But at the same time its obvious to me that when my hair loss started at
» » 17, with a very small bald spot right where the hair grows out of at the
» » crowne, it steadily and slowly over many years expanded to start
» including
» » my entire crowne area... and than spreading in a circular pattern and
» » diffuse thinning than to the front too and also back area, but not the
» very
» » bottom back where of course i have all my hair.... and where there is no
» » hard skull area.. but more soft tissue...so its like a progressive
» disease
» » if you will, that spread not rapidly if one thinks about it, but took
» » several years... so what is missing is the layers of fat and blood
» vessels,
» » espeically the browne adipose tissue which is " Cold exposure produces
» » adaptive hyperplasia and growth of brown adipose tissue (BAT), the major
» » site of non-shivering thermogenesis in rodents, associated with
» increased
» » angiogenesis in this tissue"
» »
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1218903/
» »
» » as mentioned in that article. From my research I have found it that
» » cryotherapy is commonly used to initiate angiogenesis! This is something
» » that can be done at home using different wart freezing sprays/etc that
» have
» » freezing temps of -10 to -70 degree Celsius. Once the tissue is
» destroyed
» » at the much lower temperature, blood vessels form around the damaged
» tissue
» » and than start spreading and growing into the damaged area and thus new
» » vessels are formed. This treatment is used for cancer patients who
» suffer
» » from alopecia. you can google it and here is a link:
» »
» http://www.livestrong.com/article/228699-how-to-prevent-hair-loss-from-chemo/
» »
» » So your brown fat tissue is increaese as one of the websites relating to
» » skull expansion states is needed to increase normal hair regrowth,
» implying
» » thus that browne adipose tissue is missing or decreaed due to the
» streching
» » of the skull. And if we touch are top hard skull parts and right at the
» » back/top crowne area, we can feel that there is not much fat there,
» » compared to the very back or sides. So this all makes sense. If DHT was
» » soley responsible for our hair loss as most of the corporate zombie
» » American pharmaceuticals will have us believe, just so we can buy more
» of
» » their chemical castration Propecia which turns a man into a
» asexual/zombie
» » with low libido and no self esteem, ya forget that but what I was saying
» » was --- than we wouldn't have hair anywhere, because DHT actually causes
» » hair growth and not just all over the body but if you even just take
» hair
» » on the head, why is it that DHT somehow isn't able to affect the hair
» right
» » south of the horshoe line?? I mean, the same blood supply is flowing
» » through the entire body so DHT cannot be a very significant cause in
» hair
» » loss. Now DHT helps bone remodeling and resorption and in some people
» due
» » to genetics and other factors it affects the skull more than some other
» » races, but the point is it is a problem that can be solved in my opinion.
»
» »
» » I am going to attempt doing cryotherapy (freezing) my scalp few areas at
» a
» » time, starting with the most bald/thinning, which is the crowne. Once
» the
» » area starts to get revascularized and also browne adipose tissue fat
» » deposting again, than I am sure my hair will start to grown again like
» it
» » already does on my head but something hard and big (my top skull area)
» is
» » blocking my hair from growing as healthy and normally as before.
» »
» » Curcumin, Resveratorl (decreases angiognesis) and grape seed extracts
» and
» » all the other crap especially green tea all hurt
» »
» http://greentealovers.com/greenteahealthcancer-slct.cfm?type=%22Cancer:%20Angiogenesis%22
» »
» » all hurt angiogenesis and really are a waste of time! and money! Think
» » about it.. .it has been decades since people have been taking all this
» » nonsense yet I have yet to see after sooo many years one real set of
» » pictures before and after.... wich photos taken every few weeks not just
» » one photoshopped lame picture... i have yet to see a single time that
» any
» » of this crap grew hair!!????
» »
» » So why are we still trying to use these same things in different
» topicals??
» » They dont work! I know why though and that is because we all have lost
» hope
» » so we are willing to try anything, even if that means try something
» again.
» »
» » Trust me I know, im 28 and it sucks to not have my full head of hair like
» I
» » did until I was about 23, than the hair loss just became very
» noticeable.
» » It started of course when I was 17.
» »
» » Now I am sure there some people with round skulls yet have a thick set
» of
» » hair. But for the most part I have noticed it is guys with the arnold
» » terminator square head look that mostly keep their hair.
» »
» » But again the point is more than the shape of the head,,,, is whats
» » underneath your scalp. If you are missing browne tissue adipose than you
» » have less vascularization and thus like the slow pattern i mentioned
» » before... it happens slowly and slowly until no more significant blood
» » vessels are there for hair to get nutrients.
» »
» » So the current topical I am using mainly has things to encourage
» » angiogenesis.
» »
» » I am using NO Infuse topical spray which includes l-arginine and other
» » things such as ATP for increased energy and nitric oxide production,
» which
» » the lining of your blood vessels release, and which play a key role in
» » angiogenesis and blood vessel formation.
» »
» http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/18/2133.full
» »
» » Also I have thrown in that same bottle,
» » 1. Nanogen VEGF Plant Serum
» » 2. Thymosin Spray by Douglas Labs (for possible thymosin stem cell
» » activation)
» » 3. Melatonin (which has been used to treat alopecia in dog fur, bet you
» » didn't know that )
» »
» http://www.melatek.net/images/Kirks_III_article.pdf
» »
» »
» http://www.ehow.com/facts_5772150_melatonin-dog-hair-growth.html
» »
» » 4. crushed Vitamin B-12 tablets
» » 5. Rasberry Ketone powder from capsules( for increased IGF-1 production
» ,
» » which basically leads to more skin elasticity and a healthier skin and
» » other functions. Decreases after age 30 so I figured if it helps with
» youth
» » probably good for hair. There are some studies that indicate that IGF1
» is
» » not good for hair growth. But I find most state that it does help with
» skin
» » and hair, and not to mention proven for muscle growth. Body builders use
» » it. Key emphasis on the word 'growth'
» »
» » 6. Also a few vials of bimatoprost(latisse). I use latisse seperately
» too
» » directly from the little bottle it comes in on my scalp, but I also
» mixed
» » it in my Super topical mix that I have also with everything else in it
» as
» » mentioned above.
» »
» » So with all this combined I feel like I am giving my scalp the necessary
» » ingredients to get my hair growing again through of course,
» angiogenesis.
» »
» » But seperately as I mentioned I will try the cryotherapy in the next few
» » days once I get paid at the end of the week. It won't cost much to get
» this
» » stuff. Its available at walgreens and online. Key thing is to get
» something
» » that goes below just -10 celsius so their is more tissue destruction.
» » Preferably around -40 to -70 degrees. The key thing is to do small areas
» at
» » a time and not your entire scalp! I will probably split it into 4 or 5
» » segments so that it does not hurt too much.
» »
» » The research I have done indicates that cold temperature leads to
» » angiogenesis in humans as well as rats/hamsters etc.
» »
» » I guess that is the body's way of trying to continue providing nutrients
» to
» » key areas of the body. It makes way more sense, all of this that is to
» me
» » than the DHT inhibition propecia and body bloatin hurt huring Rogaine
» crap
» » we have been fed for sooo many years.
» »
» » The stem cells in a bald scalp area are the same as everywher else on
» the
» » scalp...
» »
» http://www.baumanblog.com/follicleblog/2011/01/stem-cells-may-hold-the-cure-for-baldness.html
» »
» » and they proved that they actually are very miniaturized hair follicles
» » still present in the scalp, but just invisible to the naked eye!
» »
» » So lets see how this all goes. I will post pictures of my Latisse
» » (bimatoprost) experiment at the 2 months mark which is in about a week,
» so
» » just hold on.
» »
» » I would love to hear what you guys have to say.........and thanks for
» » reading my very long post, much appreciated !




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KO

13.02.2012, 19:21

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

»
» SHow me a real set of pictures or videos showing you or anyone else grew
» your hair on curcumin?? As I mentioned in the post, stop the nonsense.
» Curcumin actually discourages growth.


Curcumin isn't supposed to grow hair, it's there to degrade androgen receptors, aka slow down hair loss like finasteride. If used in conjunction with fin, an AR-blocker would exert a greater effect.

It's empirically shown to degrade AR receptors, what more do you need?




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jarjarbinx

13.02.2012, 19:23

@ KO

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

» »
» » SHow me a real set of pictures or videos showing you or anyone else grew
» » your hair on curcumin?? As I mentioned in the post, stop the nonsense.
» » Curcumin actually discourages growth.
»
»
» Curcumin isn't supposed to grow hair, it's there to degrade androgen
» receptors, aka slow down hair loss like finasteride. If used in conjunction
» with fin, an AR-blocker would exert a greater effect.


One of the Acell + PRP docs intends to use freeze-drying in the treatment. Do you think there's any chances that could improve the outcome of Acell + PRP treatment?




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 19:44

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

Yes, jarbar I think shows that scientists are putting a lot of time into this method. The fact is its already use on HUMANS to repair heart muscle, even eyelash growth.

KO keeps stating propecia and curcumin.!!?? I thought i told him clearly in my post above that I like many men out there choose not to chemically castrate myself! IF Propecia was the cure or treatment for baldness than why is it that we all still have bald or thinning heads?

Why does it usually only work on younger guys? Enough said!
IF this nutcase wants to go and castrate himself let him do that. DHT grows muscle, hair and other things. THe crap that he says about "androgen sensitive receptors"?? who the hell came up with that?/ There is no evidence to support that nonsense.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
13.02.2012, 19:48

@ Ahab

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

Ahab, do your research before passing a uninformed decision.
The therapy used on patients with cancer is not exactly the same as actualy freezing and cryotherapy. They used cold ice packs to lower the temperature.

I mentioned that to just give you an idea of different approaches being used to stop hairloss.

My point is already proven about angiogenesis because Latiss is a prostaglandin E2 analog and that is responsible for angiogenesis. You are not going to change scientific facts.

And it also has been proven that angiogenesis that occurs due to Latisse/prostaglandin e2 leads to hair growth on the head and eyelash.

But as I mentioned there several pathways for blood vessel formation so to address them together increases hair growth and quality.

Time to stop being so pathetic and brainwashed by the corporate media/pharmacies. You can take propecia all you want but it will not stop your hair loss. It will just destroy your life... so sad.

» I suspect the way Cryotherapy is used to prevent hair loss in cancer
» patients when getting chemo, is that Cryotherapy lowers the temperature of
» hair follicles and constricts capillaries that support the follices,
» thereby slowing follicle metabolism and reducing blood flow.
»
» By lowering the metabolism in the hair follicles, it reduces their need for
» blood, and by constricting the capillaries, it reduces the amount of blood
» that can be fed to the follicles in any case.
»
» Reducing the blood supply would also be reducing the amount of chemo, which
» is in the blood, that the follicles would take in, making it less likely
» that the chemo will poison any follicles.
»
» If true, Cryotherapy would no help at all for affected with mpb.
»
»
»
» » I'm very excited on starting a new phase and new treatment approach. I
» have
» » been searching on how to increase angiogenesis or blood vessel formation
» in
» » the scalp. VEGF is one thing that increases that and there are several
» » pathways that are involved in angiogenesis. That includes histidine,
» which
» » is precursor for histamine that helps in angiogenesis. Also,
» prostaglandins
» » like Latisse(bimatoprost) are also involved an increase blood vessel
» » formation.
» »
» » Now I have been on Latisse again for 7 weeks now, and have taken
» pictures
» » before I started and after... and will post them soon, so dont worry.
» »
» » But at the same time I have been looking at other ways to increase
» » angiogenesis. I have always wondered why hair loss in men is in a
» certain
» » pattern. Hair at the back and sides always even on very old men, is
» still
» » there yet they have no hair on the top, crown area and front.
» »
» » This led me to findout out about skull expansion etc which makes sense to
» a
» » big degree. It states that DHT is responsible for bone resportion and
» » remodeling which does not stop just at puberty but continues througout
» your
» » lifetime. It also states that people with more of a square head shape
» than
» » a roundshape are more likely to keep their hair because their remodeling
» » happens in a different way and I can attest to that and have always
» noticed
» » how Red indians, south american indians, and people of Alaskan Inuit
» » descent all have mostly square head shapes and barely ever have I seen
» any
» » hairloss them.
» »
» » So one route is to inhibit topical DHT which I will do through topical
» » estrogen which might help to slow or alter the bone
» resorption/remodeling.
» » But at the same time its obvious to me that when my hair loss started at
» » 17, with a very small bald spot right where the hair grows out of at the
» » crowne, it steadily and slowly over many years expanded to start
» including
» » my entire crowne area... and than spreading in a circular pattern and
» » diffuse thinning than to the front too and also back area, but not the
» very
» » bottom back where of course i have all my hair.... and where there is no
» » hard skull area.. but more soft tissue...so its like a progressive
» disease
» » if you will, that spread not rapidly if one thinks about it, but took
» » several years... so what is missing is the layers of fat and blood
» vessels,
» » espeically the browne adipose tissue which is " Cold exposure produces
» » adaptive hyperplasia and growth of brown adipose tissue (BAT), the major
» » site of non-shivering thermogenesis in rodents, associated with
» increased
» » angiogenesis in this tissue"
» »
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1218903/
» »
» » as mentioned in that article. From my research I have found it that
» » cryotherapy is commonly used to initiate angiogenesis! This is something
» » that can be done at home using different wart freezing sprays/etc that
» have
» » freezing temps of -10 to -70 degree Celsius. Once the tissue is
» destroyed
» » at the much lower temperature, blood vessels form around the damaged
» tissue
» » and than start spreading and growing into the damaged area and thus new
» » vessels are formed. This treatment is used for cancer patients who
» suffer
» » from alopecia. you can google it and here is a link:
» »
» http://www.livestrong.com/article/228699-how-to-prevent-hair-loss-from-chemo/
» »
» » So your brown fat tissue is increaese as one of the websites relating to
» » skull expansion states is needed to increase normal hair regrowth,
» implying
» » thus that browne adipose tissue is missing or decreaed due to the
» streching
» » of the skull. And if we touch are top hard skull parts and right at the
» » back/top crowne area, we can feel that there is not much fat there,
» » compared to the very back or sides. So this all makes sense. If DHT was
» » soley responsible for our hair loss as most of the corporate zombie
» » American pharmaceuticals will have us believe, just so we can buy more
» of
» » their chemical castration Propecia which turns a man into a
» asexual/zombie
» » with low libido and no self esteem, ya forget that but what I was saying
» » was --- than we wouldn't have hair anywhere, because DHT actually causes
» » hair growth and not just all over the body but if you even just take
» hair
» » on the head, why is it that DHT somehow isn't able to affect the hair
» right
» » south of the horshoe line?? I mean, the same blood supply is flowing
» » through the entire body so DHT cannot be a very significant cause in
» hair
» » loss. Now DHT helps bone remodeling and resorption and in some people
» due
» » to genetics and other factors it affects the skull more than some other
» » races, but the point is it is a problem that can be solved in my opinion.
»
» »
» » I am going to attempt doing cryotherapy (freezing) my scalp few areas at
» a
» » time, starting with the most bald/thinning, which is the crowne. Once
» the
» » area starts to get revascularized and also browne adipose tissue fat
» » deposting again, than I am sure my hair will start to grown again like
» it
» » already does on my head but something hard and big (my top skull area)
» is
» » blocking my hair from growing as healthy and normally as before.
» »
» » Curcumin, Resveratorl (decreases angiognesis) and grape seed extracts
» and
» » all the other crap especially green tea all hurt
» »
» http://greentealovers.com/greenteahealthcancer-slct.cfm?type=%22Cancer:%20Angiogenesis%22
» »
» » all hurt angiogenesis and really are a waste of time! and money! Think
» » about it.. .it has been decades since people have been taking all this
» » nonsense yet I have yet to see after sooo many years one real set of
» » pictures before and after.... wich photos taken every few weeks not just
» » one photoshopped lame picture... i have yet to see a single time that
» any
» » of this crap grew hair!!????
» »
» » So why are we still trying to use these same things in different
» topicals??
» » They dont work! I know why though and that is because we all have lost
» hope
» » so we are willing to try anything, even if that means try something
» again.
» »
» » Trust me I know, im 28 and it sucks to not have my full head of hair like
» I
» » did until I was about 23, than the hair loss just became very
» noticeable.
» » It started of course when I was 17.
» »
» » Now I am sure there some people with round skulls yet have a thick set
» of
» » hair. But for the most part I have noticed it is guys with the arnold
» » terminator square head look that mostly keep their hair.
» »
» » But again the point is more than the shape of the head,,,, is whats
» » underneath your scalp. If you are missing browne tissue adipose than you
» » have less vascularization and thus like the slow pattern i mentioned
» » before... it happens slowly and slowly until no more significant blood
» » vessels are there for hair to get nutrients.
» »
» » So the current topical I am using mainly has things to encourage
» » angiogenesis.
» »
» » I am using NO Infuse topical spray which includes l-arginine and other
» » things such as ATP for increased energy and nitric oxide production,
» which
» » the lining of your blood vessels release, and which play a key role in
» » angiogenesis and blood vessel formation.
» »
» http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/18/2133.full
» »
» » Also I have thrown in that same bottle,
» » 1. Nanogen VEGF Plant Serum
» » 2. Thymosin Spray by Douglas Labs (for possible thymosin stem cell
» » activation)
» » 3. Melatonin (which has been used to treat alopecia in dog fur, bet you
» » didn't know that )
» »
» http://www.melatek.net/images/Kirks_III_article.pdf
» »
» »
» http://www.ehow.com/facts_5772150_melatonin-dog-hair-growth.html
» »
» » 4. crushed Vitamin B-12 tablets
» » 5. Rasberry Ketone powder from capsules( for increased IGF-1 production
» ,
» » which basically leads to more skin elasticity and a healthier skin and
» » other functions. Decreases after age 30 so I figured if it helps with
» youth
» » probably good for hair. There are some studies that indicate that IGF1
» is
» » not good for hair growth. But I find most state that it does help with
» skin
» » and hair, and not to mention proven for muscle growth. Body builders use
» » it. Key emphasis on the word 'growth'
» »
» » 6. Also a few vials of bimatoprost(latisse). I use latisse seperately
» too
» » directly from the little bottle it comes in on my scalp, but I also
» mixed
» » it in my Super topical mix that I have also with everything else in it
» as
» » mentioned above.
» »
» » So with all this combined I feel like I am giving my scalp the necessary
» » ingredients to get my hair growing again through of course,
» angiogenesis.
» »
» » But seperately as I mentioned I will try the cryotherapy in the next few
» » days once I get paid at the end of the week. It won't cost much to get
» this
» » stuff. Its available at walgreens and online. Key thing is to get
» something
» » that goes below just -10 celsius so their is more tissue destruction.
» » Preferably around -40 to -70 degrees. The key thing is to do small areas
» at
» » a time and not your entire scalp! I will probably split it into 4 or 5
» » segments so that it does not hurt too much.
» »
» » The research I have done indicates that cold temperature leads to
» » angiogenesis in humans as well as rats/hamsters etc.
» »
» » I guess that is the body's way of trying to continue providing nutrients
» to
» » key areas of the body. It makes way more sense, all of this that is to
» me
» » than the DHT inhibition propecia and body bloatin hurt huring Rogaine
» crap
» » we have been fed for sooo many years.
» »
» » The stem cells in a bald scalp area are the same as everywher else on
» the
» » scalp...
» »
» http://www.baumanblog.com/follicleblog/2011/01/stem-cells-may-hold-the-cure-for-baldness.html
» »
» » and they proved that they actually are very miniaturized hair follicles
» » still present in the scalp, but just invisible to the naked eye!
» »
» » So lets see how this all goes. I will post pictures of my Latisse
» » (bimatoprost) experiment at the 2 months mark which is in about a week,
» so
» » just hold on.
» »
» » I would love to hear what you guys have to say.........and thanks for
» » reading my very long post, much appreciated !




Boyinhtown is located in HOUSTON, TX and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.


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KO

13.02.2012, 20:41

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

I have a novel MPB treatment. Take a flat surface, and bring it down on your head as hard as possible.


That's going through FDA approved Phase 3 trials btw.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
17.02.2012, 03:10
(edited by Boyinhtown, 17.02.2012, 03:26)

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

here are pictures of the cryotherapy I performed today at home.
I used Dimethyl ether and propane or DMEP which has a temperature of -57 Celsius.

That is enough to destroy mitochondira and thus the cell.

As you can see I have quite a bit of scarring. Its frozen blood inside though and it doesn't hurt when I put any topicals.

Hopefully this should lead to increased angiogenesis and brown adipose tissue production and thus new hair regrowth.

The last picture was taken immediately after the procedure. You can see there is not much scar buildup yet. The first two pictures were taken several hours later after the procedure and you can see that scarring /blood damage under the skin has become visible.

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kalevra

17.02.2012, 06:48

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» here are pictures of the cryotherapy I performed today at home.
» I used Dimethyl ether and propane or DMEP which has a temperature of -57
» Celsius.
»
» That is enough to destroy mitochondira and thus the cell.
»
» As you can see I have quite a bit of scarring. Its frozen blood inside
» though and it doesn't hurt when I put any topicals.
»
» Hopefully this should lead to increased angiogenesis and brown adipose
» tissue production and thus new hair regrowth.
»

Freeze your head (N2 I suggest) and strike it on the wall, maybe works




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jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 10:09

@ kalevra

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » here are pictures of the cryotherapy I performed today at home.
» » I used Dimethyl ether and propane or DMEP which has a temperature of -57
» » Celsius.
» »
» » That is enough to destroy mitochondira and thus the cell.
» »
» » As you can see I have quite a bit of scarring. Its frozen blood inside
» » though and it doesn't hurt when I put any topicals.
» »
» » Hopefully this should lead to increased angiogenesis and brown adipose
» » tissue production and thus new hair regrowth.
» »
»
» Freeze your head (N2 I suggest) and strike it on the wall, maybe works


I would suggest that you grow a brain. You are the epitome of peanut gallery type. Here we have a man, boyintown, trying to find a cure and you mock him. At least he is trying. All you do is hammer your pud and mock other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a highly respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown might be onto something whereas your activities (insulting others for no reason and generally acting like a tea-party schmuck) are not helpful to anyone. All you are accomplishing is to tease someone who is trying to make a positive difference. Grow a brain.




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kalevra

17.02.2012, 11:16

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» I would suggest that you grow a brain. You are the epitome of peanut
» gallery type. Here we have a man, boyintown, trying to find a cure and you
» mock him. At least he is trying. All you do is hammer your pud and mock
» other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a highly
» respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown might
» be onto something whereas your activities (insulting others for no reason
» and generally acting like a tea-party schmuck) are not helpful to anyone.
» All you are accomplishing is to tease someone who is trying to make a
» positive difference. Grow a brain.

Im not insulting others for no reason. I was just answering his stupid post in other topic.
You are doing the same thing that you claiming.
Inform yourself before talk about.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
17.02.2012, 11:39

@ kalevra

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

Thanks Jarjar. Some people can't handle the fact that all they do every night is whine and complaint about their hair loss. It probably drives him nuts so he chooses to randomly through tantrums. And I can see that he can't even speak English completely right, nothing wrong with it but shows me that hes not literate.




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hairman2

17.02.2012, 11:46

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a highly
» respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown might

LOL... you are so full of crap.




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Post reply
jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 13:56

@ kalevra

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » I would suggest that you grow a brain. You are the epitome of peanut
» » gallery type. Here we have a man, boyintown, trying to find a cure and
» you
» » mock him. At least he is trying. All you do is hammer your pud and mock
» » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» highly
» » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» might
» » be onto something whereas your activities (insulting others for no
» reason
» » and generally acting like a tea-party schmuck) are not helpful to anyone.
»
» » All you are accomplishing is to tease someone who is trying to make a
» » positive difference. Grow a brain.
»
» Im not insulting others for no reason. I was just answering his stupid post
» in other topic.
» You are doing the same thing that you claiming.
» Inform yourself before talk about.


Now you are insulting him again - calling his post "stupid." You're a very rude and mean person who needlessly attack someone without any provocation. And you are the one that is truly stupid because you totally lack social graces and have no sense of justice or else you would not insult someone without any provocation.




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jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 14:02

@ hairman2

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» highly
» » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» might
»
» LOL... you are so full of crap.


Mr. peanut gallery. you are stupid and ignorant. you belong up in a tree eating bananas.




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Post reply
kalevra

17.02.2012, 14:09

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

»
» Now you are insulting him again - calling his post "stupid." You're a very
» rude and mean person who needlessly attack someone without any provocation.
» And you are the one that is truly stupid because you totally lack social
» graces and have no sense of justice or else you would not insult someone
» without any provocation.

I mean a reply in other post. But forget, I dont want to argue with you. If you did not understand until now I wont design for you.
Forget.




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jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 14:11

@ kalevra

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » I would suggest that you grow a brain. You are the epitome of peanut
» » gallery type. Here we have a man, boyintown, trying to find a cure and
» you
» » mock him. At least he is trying. All you do is hammer your pud and mock
» » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» highly
» » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» might
» » be onto something whereas your activities (insulting others for no
» reason
» » and generally acting like a tea-party schmuck) are not helpful to anyone.
»
» » All you are accomplishing is to tease someone who is trying to make a
» » positive difference. Grow a brain.
»
» Im not insulting others for no reason. I was just answering his stupid post
» in other topic.
» You are doing the same thing that you claiming.
» Inform yourself before talk about.

i don't insult people for no reason. I insult people who have provoked me in the past or present. you insult people for no reason - just to be mean. What a tacky guy you are.




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jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 14:12

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » » I would suggest that you grow a brain. You are the epitome of peanut
» » » gallery type. Here we have a man, boyintown, trying to find a cure
» and
» » you
» » » mock him. At least he is trying. All you do is hammer your pud and
» mock
» » » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» » highly
» » » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» » might
» » » be onto something whereas your activities (insulting others for no
» » reason
» » » and generally acting like a tea-party schmuck) are not helpful to
» anyone.
» »
» » » All you are accomplishing is to tease someone who is trying to make a
» » » positive difference. Grow a brain.
» »
» » Im not insulting others for no reason. I was just answering his stupid
» post
» » in other topic.
» » You are doing the same thing that you claiming.
» » Inform yourself before talk about.
»

i don't insult people for no reason. it's tacky. boyintown is trying to be helpful. you could be a little more gracious.




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jarjarbinx

17.02.2012, 14:19

@ kalevra

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» »
» » Now you are insulting him again - calling his post "stupid." You're a
» very
» » rude and mean person who needlessly attack someone without any
» provocation.
» » And you are the one that is truly stupid because you totally lack
» social
» » graces and have no sense of justice or else you would not insult someone
» » without any provocation.
»
» I mean a reply in other post. But forget, I dont want to argue with you. If
» you did not understand until now I wont design for you.
» Forget.


I got a better idea - why don't you not be the first one to do an attack? Remember that if you attack people who are trying to help then people will stop trying to help. Why should anyone share info with you if you are going to insult them when they do?




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
17.02.2012, 15:55

@ jarjarbinx

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» » highly
» » » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» » might
» »
» » LOL... you are so full of crap.
»
»
» Mr. peanut gallery. you are stupid and ignorant. you belong up in a tree
» eating bananas.

Wow... JarJarbinx im glad you have an intelligence and open mind. As mentioned in my original post, cryotherapy is already proven to repair tissue etc... so let hairman2 just keep laughing.

I can report to you that since I have been on the generic version of latisse, bimatoprost for the last 2 months my hair growth is starting to show, no doubt about it!

And to all ignorant fools out there, the reason bimatoprost grows hair is through the prostaglandin e2 angiogenesis pathway which is one of several pathways that grow blood vessels- as i already stated in my original post.

I will post more pics of my before and after at the right time, just waiting on my hair grow a little more. Fact is that I am going t have a full head of hair again and these idiotic buffoons who depend entirely on the big pharma's and pseudoscience can stick to their "green tea" and "curcumin" hahaah if you look at their posts , its been decades and they still keep trying to shove all that crap down our throats?? Isn't it obvious that all that crap whether taken topically or ingested, doesn't work!!!

Im glad jarjarbinx has the sense and wisdom to look at other options. I might add that the wounding, tissue damage I am currently experiencing is significant (yet it doesn't hurt one bit). Its all under the skin, and is way more significant than any dermaroller I could have used. With that I just destory my skin and its never deep enough. I can see that the scarring in this case has gone all the way deep inside.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
17.02.2012, 16:01

@ hairman2

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» » other people who try to do something positive. I have spoken to a
» highly
» » respected doc who claims that cryonic could be helpful so boyintown
» might
»
» LOL... you are so full of crap.

I guess hairman and others find the idea of 'freezing' one's head hilarious!??

How ignorant and retarded, yet they can keep dermarolling or sand papering their heads into oblivion! ? That would be fine too if it worked, but obviously many many people have tried dermarolling and it doesn't work. That form of wounding is not deep enough or good enough for whatever exact reason.

The main thing that needs regeneration perhaps is the blood vessels under the skin and the brown adipose tissue which lessens as we age. Will keep you updated jarjar and other open minded reasonable people. These other buffoons dont even deserve me to share my experience with them I can see why they are bald and will continue to stay bald and pathetic.

The fact that all their lives they just depend on other big corporations to hand them a magic pill to fix their hair issues... i mean just goes to show you that they have no free will or soul left in them. They just zombie away ....sad... If someone else is trying something they feel like they have to put them down? Why? I dont even know them? Again, insecurities and disbelief at the fact that each human individual has a great capacity for good. The light bulb was invented by one individua, Thomas Edison. So I hope they could stop their negativity and focus on perhaps adding some positive constructing comments.




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
17.02.2012, 16:03

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

Heart surgeons using cryotherapy to actualy free heart valves and vessels all the way deep inside, yet somehow just freezing your head from the top seems outrageous?? No, its pefectly fine.

Also, warts and other common skin ailments are always taken off by cryotherapy.

Jarjarjbin the doctor you talked to about cryotherapy knows what hes talking about. No doubt there is a lot of benefits to this.

Will keep you updated!




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Boyinhtown

Houston, TX,
18.02.2012, 05:55

@ Boyinhtown

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY MEMBER

I was chattin with a member on another hair forum and he raised some interesting yet flawed points... read his reply to me and my follow up:

"you can't say finasteride won't work on me because you say yourself that block the production of dht is important and that's something you try to achieve. the maliniak theory that you are on about on your profile, is kind of flawed, because our skulls are growing when we are younger, they stop growing at a certain age too so why does hairloss carry on after the age skulls stop growing? and why do other people not get any hairloss at all? what about women with the same round shaped heads who don't get hairloss? the theory is flawed. "

MY REPLY:

thts not correct, bone resorption and remodeling continue till you die! google it!
also, i used cryogenic freeze spray few days ago and have considerable scarring under my skin. It doesn't hurt though, If you want to follow my experiment your welcome to at this site, i have pictures there too: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum ... nswer.html

DHT does have some role and after puberty it increases in men. Pre-pubescent male children DO NOT have as nearly DHT as adults, so your argument stating that since the skull keeps even growing during childhood yet no hair loss does not stand. Now at the end of the day some guys get baldness some dont. So somewhere along the way I am sure your genes play a role that triggers the loss of blood vessels and brown adipose tissue but that is not to say that if you have less blood vessels and brown adipose tissue, that can't be corrected. Your completely incorrect when you state that bone remodeling and skull growth stop. Women don't have as much dht and genetically have different bone structure and growth. You CANNOT compare a grown man's facial skeleton with a grown womens. Men obviously look manlier due to dht and other factors that women dont have.

Yes, Finasteride helps to chemically castrate your manhood and decrease serum DHT levels. But that only SLOWS down the rate of hair loss. Hair loss at some rate will continue until you die... that is proven. Finasteride doesn't completely halt hair loss and in most cases DOES NOT regrow lost hair, espeically in TEMPLES. Finasteride ONLY works in the crown. Have you thought about why that is??? If DHT was the sole cause of hair loss than why do men not grow back their hair in the front temples???? Let me explain now. As I said, finasteride only slows hair loss due to dht inhibition. But the blood vessels and brown adipose tissue that is lost for example in the frontal temples cannot be recreated simply by lowering dht. What needs to take place is angiogenesis and new blood vessel formation that starting at puberty slowly started to decrease... If Dht is the cause of hair loss than explain to me one more thing... why do all men have their hair on the backside and sides??? Time to think outside the box my friend or you can continue to suffer with your hair loss. Thats your choice.




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action_reaction

27.05.2012, 00:19

@ Boyinhtown

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY MEMBER

this is the wildest theory ever proposed.... okay whatever you do that. I'm positive that this won't work and you will disappear out of shame




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cal

27.05.2012, 03:07

@ action_reaction

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY MEMBER

Finasteride ONLY works in the crown.

Fin was only TESTED on the crown. That's not necessarily the only place it works. In the practical sense, the crown is a much more predictable steady area of loss than the front half of the head, which can vary wildly from man to man. The crown proves a much better testbed for MPB treatments in general for this reason.

Fin doesn't always have good results on NW#1 hairlines that are thinning/receding. But there are a lot of guys who have great results with Fin on NW#2-4 territory, which is not the crown.




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albert

27.05.2012, 15:48

@ cal

Don't listen to those big pharma lovers

This forum is full of them. They doesn't want to experiment even when no danger is involved. Please don't listen to them. You're doing an amazing work and I'd be glad to hear updates of this experiment - even failing, please remember that your contribution will mean progress on the hairloss DIY research, and nobody (or at least no a rational person) will blame you for your eventual failing.

Keep us updated!




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action_reaction

27.05.2012, 17:52

@ albert

Don't listen to those big pharma lovers

» This forum is full of them. They doesn't want to experiment even when no
» danger is involved. Please don't listen to them. You're doing an amazing
» work and I'd be glad to hear updates of this experiment - even failing,
» please remember that your contribution will mean progress on the hairloss
» DIY research, and nobody (or at least no a rational person) will blame you
» for your eventual failing.
»
» Keep us updated!

if his theory is true, then explain how hair transplants work?




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needhairasap

28.05.2012, 00:37

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

» here are pictures of the cryotherapy I performed today at home.
» I used Dimethyl ether and propane or DMEP which has a temperature of -57
» Celsius.
»
» That is enough to destroy mitochondira and thus the cell.
»
» As you can see I have quite a bit of scarring. Its frozen blood inside
» though and it doesn't hurt when I put any topicals.
»
» Hopefully this should lead to increased angiogenesis and brown adipose
» tissue production and thus new hair regrowth.
»
» The last picture was taken immediately after the procedure. You can see
» there is not much scar buildup yet. The first two pictures were taken
» several hours later after the procedure and you can see that scarring
» /blood damage under the skin has become visible.
»
» [image]
»
» [image]
»
» [image]



you're out of your mind


post more pics!




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action_reaction

28.05.2012, 00:41

@ needhairasap

Cryotherapy for Blood Vessel Formation and Hair Regrwoth PICTURES

he won't.... his "experiment" will fail for reasons I mentioned above so instead of reporting his failure, he'll just make another account with a new reputation instead of reporting shame. That's how it always goes!




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Bill

28.05.2012, 09:09

@ Boyinhtown

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

No matter when you check in here you can bet that the bickering, name calling, political jibes and childish insults just continue on each and every thread month after month! Don’t let anyone stop your fun gentlemen! (I use the term loosely) Of course if there ever was a successful experiment in this forum it would go completely unnoticed from the lifer trolls that inhabit this board.
I think this is a novel approach and methodology, the one thing nobody mentioned is that the treatment for sickle cell carcinoma (non fatal skin cancer) is also cryogenic freezing. It kills the cancer cells and the new skin cells regenerate back in their normal pattern. Having had this procedure done I can tell you that I was amazed that no scarring occurred and the hair grew back in a normal pattern making the procedure virtually undetectable.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
28.05.2012, 10:11

@ Bill

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

» No matter when you check in here you can bet that the bickering, name
» calling, political jibes and childish insults just continue on each and
» every thread month after month! Don’t let anyone stop your fun gentlemen!
» (I use the term loosely) Of course if there ever was a successful
» experiment in this forum it would go completely unnoticed from the lifer
» trolls that inhabit this board.
» I think this is a novel approach and methodology, the one thing nobody
» mentioned is that the treatment for sickle cell carcinoma (non fatal skin
» cancer) is also cryogenic freezing.

Bill, do you mean squamous cell carcinoma?

» It kills the cancer cells and the new
» skin cells regenerate back in their normal pattern. Having had this
» procedure done I can tell you that I was amazed that no scarring occurred
» and the hair grew back in a normal pattern making the procedure virtually
» undetectable.

But I think in your case the cryogenics was used to kill the cancer cells, which is a lot different than what the OP here was presumably trying to do, i.e. wounding his own tissue in order to induce hair growth. Thanks for the info, though.




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Bill

28.05.2012, 18:04

@ roger_that

Cryotherapy for Angiogenesis (blood vessel formation) Home Experiment

» » No matter when you check in here you can bet that the bickering, name
» » calling, political jibes and childish insults just continue on each and
» » every thread month after month! Don’t let anyone stop your fun
» gentlemen!
» » (I use the term loosely) Of course if there ever was a successful
» » experiment in this forum it would go completely unnoticed from the lifer
» » trolls that inhabit this board.
» » I think this is a novel approach and methodology, the one thing nobody
» » mentioned is that the treatment for sickle cell carcinoma (non fatal
» skin
» » cancer) is also cryogenic freezing.
»
» Bill, do you mean squamous cell carcinoma?
»
» » It kills the cancer cells and the new
» » skin cells regenerate back in their normal pattern. Having had this
» » procedure done I can tell you that I was amazed that no scarring
» occurred
» » and the hair grew back in a normal pattern making the procedure
» virtually
» » undetectable.
»
» But I think in your case the cryogenics was used to kill the cancer cells,
» which is a lot different than what the OP here was presumably trying to do,
» i.e. wounding his own tissue in order to induce hair growth. Thanks for
» the info, though.
Basal cell carcinoma (had to go back and read it) my bad!




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