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Z79

07.06.2011, 05:52
 

New follica patent, june 2011 (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at all, Im sure others do as well.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html




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Stevie.Dee

07.06.2011, 06:27

@ Z79

New follica patent, june 2011

» Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at
» all, Im sure others do as well.
»
» http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html

Nice one




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Dogstar

07.06.2011, 07:00

@ Z79

New follica patent, june 2011

Thanks for posting it.




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debris

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07.06.2011, 08:29

@ Z79

New follica patent, june 2011

» Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at
» all, Im sure others do as well.
»
» http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html

it shows how follica is helpless and hopeless.

they probably have realized that curing mpb is gonna be prety damn hard, so they now started to patent some futuristic computer driven robots that would perform automated HTs of dissected follicles (thats what their patent seems to describe).



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Aleluia

07.06.2011, 08:37

@ debris

New follica patent, june 2011

Z79 6/7/11 5:53 am
More publications from Follica, another patent published online:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html

Z79 6/7/11 6:33 am
Forget about the lithium patent, this has to be what they are going for in the clinical trial. Seems like it is precision wounding with a laser and injection of 6-bromo-indirubin-3′-oxime (a GSK3β modulator).
“The present disclosure provides methods and systems that increase the number of hair-producing follicles on a body surface by two-fold or more, representing a valuable treatment for subjects suffering from male- or female-pattern hair loss”
So one treatment would give you a 100% increase of hair or more. Yeah I would go for that treatment…




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biston

07.06.2011, 08:52

@ Aleluia

New follica patent, june 2011

Follica seems to be just 10 years away atleast, there are NO CHANCES to reach the market even in 5 years for them, so I definitely don't care anymore about follica, all our hopes to have a cure in an acceptable timelime are on histogen/ari.




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Mr. Z

07.06.2011, 10:15

@ biston

New follica patent, june 2011

"The application of a composition is optional, as it has presently been discovered that duplication of follicles may be accomplished by segmentation alone. "

I don't know, this sounds like very good news to me. And i think indicates that they will be able to move forward with their technique classified as a medical device as opposed to a new drug. That should shorten the time span to commercial release significantly.

However, they leave open the option of using a "composition" . Which could include lithium containing compounds and wnt signaling molecules, antioxidants etc.. What type of regulatory hurdles that would entail is anybody's guess.

And this is definitely not a hair transplant device. Their using lasers to wound the hair follicles themselves. Splitting the follicles into two units which then form into individual hairs that grow at the sight of the wounding. No transplanting of tissue. Different from their first approaches which seemed to involve wounding the entire skin surface.

No one can say how far out they are. They've already started trials on some form of treatment, so i think 10 years aways is not accurate. Plus, they're financed by a significant investment from venture capitalists, which are most certainly not going to be waiting around for more than a decade to get a return on their millions.

It's painful to say it, but the only conclusion we can draw is no conclusion. Wait and see




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Iron_Man

07.06.2011, 15:26

@ Mr. Z

New follica patent, june 2011

» However, they leave open the option of using a "composition" . Which could
» include lithium containing compounds and wnt signaling molecules,
» antioxidants etc.. What type of regulatory hurdles that would entail is
» anybody's guess.

None. They just describe an in situ (in its natural place/position) performed hair duplication procedure (based on Gho et al, 2004 and Toscani at al, 2009) - WITH (just for improvement) or WITHOUT the usage of described "compositions" (because the transected follicles regenerate separatly anyway), whereby almost all described "compositions" or combinations thereof are already FDA approved medications/drugs and/or are already available on the market. So basically, there are surely not any "regulatory hurdles" involved (right now they just perform obligative pilot trails/studies according to Institutional Review Board/ethics committees etc) - but there're some other "troubles" involved ... and someone of you guys already mentioned one of those involved problems.




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GoGiants1

07.06.2011, 18:32

@ Z79

New follica patent, june 2011

» Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at
» all, Im sure others do as well.
»
» http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html

Is there any page on US clinical trials that shows Follica has started human trails for hair loss?



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roger_that

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07.06.2011, 19:07

@ Z79

Did Follica Steal Gho's Method and then Patent It?

This is shocking news. THANK YOU for this post. We don't have all the facts yet, so I don't want to jump to conclusions, but if this means what I think it means, a sleazy bunch of dirtbags has STOLEN Dr. Gho's follicle-transection method and patented it! This looks to me like not just patent infringement, but patent USURPATION. (And no, Gho didn't necessarily have to have an outright patent on the method for it to be infringement, but I think he does, anyway.)

If the facts bear me out here, and Follica has actually stolen Dr. Gho's patent, I will personally make an appointment and visit Dr. Gho (around late August - September 2011, if I can get an appointment) and encourage him to sue these people and shut down this so-called "biotech company", once and for all.





» Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at
» all, Im sure others do as well.
»
» http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html




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Stevie.Dee

07.06.2011, 19:43

@ roger_that

Did Follica Steal Gho's Method and then Patent It?

Well if they could deliver something practible i would say let them do it, but if they only grabbed the patent to sell it or sit on it, i say Burn Em.

Nevertheless this patent is worthless :-) because everyone could patent this stuff and add a "special" ingredient to it




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cal

07.06.2011, 20:50

@ Stevie.Dee

Did Follica Steal Gho's Method and then Patent It?

The Follica story just keeps getting weirder and weirder. This thing sounds basically nothing like all the other stuff they've been doing.


I don't know what to make of this patent. What are they gonna do, try to individually hit thousands of follicles with a laser? My offhand reaction is that sounds like it would call for a lot more manual operator precision than FUE work. I must not be understanding what they're talking about.




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hairman2

07.06.2011, 21:34

@ Iron_Man

New follica patent, june 2011

<withdrawn>

» » However, they leave open the option of using a "composition" . Which
» could
» » include lithium containing compounds and wnt signaling molecules,
» » antioxidants etc.. What type of regulatory
» hurdles
that would entail is
» » anybody's guess.
»
» None. They just describe an in situ (in its natural place/position)
» performed hair duplication procedure (based on Gho et al, 2004 and Toscani
» at al, 2009) - WITH (just for improvement) or WITHOUT the usage of
» described "compositions" (because the transected follicles regenerate
» separatly anyway), whereby almost all described "compositions" or
» combinations thereof are already FDA approved medications/drugs and/or are
» already available on the market. So basically, there are surely not any
» "regulatory hurdles" involved (right now they just perform obligative pilot
» trails/studies according to Institutional Review Board/ethics committees
» etc) - but there're some other "troubles" involved ... and someone of you
» guys already mentioned one of those involved problems.




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superhl

07.06.2011, 22:34

@ hairman2

New follica patent, june 2011

Sounds like progress to me. Even if what they are doing is comparable to Gho aleast they are developing a device to do the tedious work which will greatly reduce time and cost. Also, with this technology, hair can be placed at the correct angle.




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Virgo

08.06.2011, 01:44

@ superhl

New follica patent, june 2011

» Sounds like progress to me. Even if what they are doing is comparable to
» Gho aleast they are developing a device to do the tedious work which will
» greatly reduce time and cost. Also, with this technology, hair can be
» placed at the correct angle.

disagree...................? this is not something i would want. i wouldn't bother with something other than what they originally talked about doing.




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Virgo

08.06.2011, 01:45

@ Virgo

New follica patent, june 2011

» » Sounds like progress to me. Even if what they are doing is comparable to
» » Gho aleast they are developing a device to do the tedious work which
» will
» » greatly reduce time and cost. Also, with this technology, hair can be
» » placed at the correct angle.
»
» disagree...................? this is not something i would want. i wouldn't
» bother with something other than what they originally talked about doing.

wounding+adding stuff and then regorwing hair anywhere.

this just doesn't seem right now that people explained what it meant to me.




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debris

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08.06.2011, 03:42

@ Z79

New follica patent, june 2011

» Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica at
» all, Im sure others do as well.
»
» http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html

imho its just defensive patent. i dont believe they actualy are working on any of these devices described in there.

there are just hand drawings,no picture of any existing part or assembly



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hairman2

08.06.2011, 05:43

@ debris

New follica patent, june 2011

» » Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from Follica
» at
» » all, Im sure others do as well.
» »
» » http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html
»
» imho its just defensive patent. i dont believe they actualy are working on
» any of these devices described in there.
»
» there are just hand drawings,no picture of any existing part or assembly


hand drawings are typical for patents.. even apple hand draw's their ipods and ipads..




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Stevie.Dee

08.06.2011, 06:33

@ hairman2

New follica patent, june 2011

» » » Just found this so haven´t read it. I welcome anything new from
» Follica
» » at
» » » all, Im sure others do as well.
» » »
» » » http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0130711.html
» »
» » imho its just defensive patent. i dont believe they actualy are working
» on
» » any of these devices described in there.
» »
» » there are just hand drawings,no picture of any existing part or assembly
»
»
» hand drawings are typical for patents.. even apple hand draw's their ipods
» and ipads..

The same goes for concept cars etc.




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Aleluia

10.06.2011, 11:54

@ Stevie.Dee

Quotes from Nature Biotech write up

I think it seems like great news:



Mr. Z 6/10/11 10:02 am
@Shooter, Quotes from Nature Biotech write up:

Follica is in clinical trials to optimize both the device and drug components. Ju would not discuss specifics of the trial design, in part because consumer interest is so intense. “There’s a lot of good work going on in hair growth, but there’s a lot of hype in the field as well. A lot of times patients have this rollercoaster: ‘Oh, there’s a great discovery!’ ‘Oh, it didn’t work.’ Because of that, we take a relatively conservative route in terms of disclosure.”

With regard to the drug, Ju allowed that small molecules have advantages over proteins, especially for topical applications. They are investigating drug compounds already on the market and also developing new compounds that could act on the pathways involved in hair follicular neogenesis.

Our product is going to tap both components,” says Follica CEO William Ju. “There’s going to be a perturbation component—a device that coaxes the scalp into a state that’s receptive to pharmacologic modulation—and then, a drug component, which will push those cells into producing hair follicles.”




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Dogstar

10.06.2011, 13:08

@ Aleluia

Quotes from Nature Biotech write up

» I think it seems like great news:
»
»
»
» Mr. Z 6/10/11 10:02 am
» @Shooter, Quotes from Nature Biotech write up:
»
» Follica is in clinical trials to optimize both the device and drug
» components. Ju would not discuss specifics of the trial design, in part
» because consumer interest is so intense. “There’s a lot of good work going
» on in hair growth, but there’s a lot of hype in the field as well. A lot of
» times patients have this rollercoaster: ‘Oh, there’s a great discovery!’
» ‘Oh, it didn’t work.’ Because of that, we take a relatively conservative
» route in terms of disclosure.”
»
» With regard to the drug, Ju allowed that small molecules have advantages
» over proteins, especially for topical applications. They are investigating
» drug compounds already on the market and also developing new compounds that
» could act on the pathways involved in hair follicular neogenesis.
»
» Our product is going to tap both components,” says Follica CEO William Ju.
» “There’s going to be a perturbation component—a device that coaxes the
» scalp into a state that’s receptive to pharmacologic modulation—and then, a
» drug component, which will push those cells into producing hair follicles.”

Good post, it does look like they're in clinical trials with the original treatment, which is nice to hear because some people have been panicking everytime a new patent comes out.




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GoGiants1

10.06.2011, 16:54

@ Aleluia

Quotes from Nature Biotech write up

» I think it seems like great news:
»
»
»
» Mr. Z 6/10/11 10:02 am
» @Shooter, Quotes from Nature Biotech write up:
»
» Follica is in clinical trials to optimize both the device and drug
» components. Ju would not discuss specifics of the trial design, in part
» because consumer interest is so intense. “There’s a lot of good work going
» on in hair growth, but there’s a lot of hype in the field as well. A lot of
» times patients have this rollercoaster: ‘Oh, there’s a great discovery!’
» ‘Oh, it didn’t work.’ Because of that, we take a relatively conservative
» route in terms of disclosure.”
»
» With regard to the drug, Ju allowed that small molecules have advantages
» over proteins, especially for topical applications. They are investigating
» drug compounds already on the market and also developing new compounds that
» could act on the pathways involved in hair follicular neogenesis.
»
» Our product is going to tap both components,” says Follica CEO William Ju.
» “There’s going to be a perturbation component—a device that coaxes the
» scalp into a state that’s receptive to pharmacologic modulation—and then, a
» drug component, which will push those cells into producing hair follicles.”

So basically a follica treatment could be right around the corner? I searched the US clinical trails website and didn't find anything when I searched follica.



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Dogstar

10.06.2011, 19:50

@ GoGiants1

Quotes from Nature Biotech write up

»
» So basically a follica treatment could be right around the corner? I
» searched the US clinical trails website and didn't find anything when I
» searched follica.

They're not doing their clinical trials in the US, but a company doesn't have to make their trials public anyway. Whether they're close to a treatment is all guess work, and a lot will depend on if they can categorize their method as a medical device, that would make a huge difference on any timeline.




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