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Astressin-B (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

posted by roger_that, MARYLAND, 15.01.2012, 22:48
(edited by roger_that on 15.01.2012, 23:21)

Ľ Please don't take my harsh comments personally, but you really need to stop
Ľ venting against Follica for no reason.

OK... although I don't think my skepticism is "for no reason".... I just see it differently than you do, that's all.

It's easy, though, to just take every point I make and flip it over into its rhetorical negative. Isnít that really taking the lazy way out to make your argument?

You seem to ascribe to me some deep, hidden anti-Follica agenda or grudge.

I have absolutely nothing against Follica except for the fact that to me, it seems like the epitome of a typical American VC-backed flop company, something cobbled together to create an illustrious business career (and a few million dollars) for a few opportunistic entrepreneurs.

Look, I may be dead wrong on this... and if I am, I will humbly buy you dinner at a fancy restaurant in Paris or something. I am quite prepared to admit I'm wrong if I am proven wrong, and I should qualify myself with the caveat that EVERYTHING I'm saying or writing here is based just on my personal speculations and subjective interpretation of things.

But you know what? That's true for like 95% of the stuff written here, including almost all of what you contribute to this forum.

All I'm doing is taking this opportunity that the forum gives to me to anonymously "vent" at the fra*dulent "make a quick buck" capitalist system we have in this country, the same system that gave us the ginormous Wall Street Ponzi schemes like CDO's, credit-default swaps and mortgage-backed securities that wrecked most of the economy.

It's all part of an ongoing American disease of the psyche, the mentality that you take a risk and try to make a quick bundle of money off a bunch of gullible people.

I'm not saying Follica is an example of this, but it has *some* of the telltale signs... You have to be freaking blind not to see it.

I'm not threatened by anyone, I don't give a hoot about any particular person, Zohar, Cotsarelis, etc.

I have noticed a recurring pattern with Dr. Cotsarelis though, and it goes like this:

1. Suddenly you see an article either in the NY Times, or, more likely, in some British tabloid newspaper, headlined something like, "Scientist discovers new clues to Male Pattern Baldness", with a subtitle something like, "Cure possibly 5 years away". The NY Times or London Times will usually have a serious-sounding headline; if it's one of the British tabloids, the headline will be cheesier, and possibly contain a pun or a photo which mildly mocks balding people.

2. You read the article and discover it is another one of Dr. Cotsarelis' "discoveries". Then you think back and seem to remember a similar article about a possible "cure", about 6 months to a year ago, also mentioning Dr. Cotsarelis, but the discovery was something different... well, kind of the same but different. Within the next few months, there will also be 1 or 2 brief television reports about the "discovery", on CNN and/or one of the major networks.

3. There then commences a flood of excitement in the hairloss community, with a flurry of enthusiastic articles and frenzied debates on the various hairloss websites and boards... This continues indefinitely.

4. Sometime after the so-called "discovery" is announced, a medical journal article is published, which gives more facts, but doesn't shed too much more light on what was already announced, and maybe just muddies the water still further. The "new" discovery is different... but somehow the same as all the older discoveries.

5. Sometime within about a year of the discovery's announcement in the media, maybe more, there is news that Dr. Cotsarelis has signed yet another deal with another company -- either he's become a "scientific advisor" to a new start-up, or he's sold the rights to something to another company, or he's collaborating with this or that new venture, to somehow commercialize the great new "discovery" he's made. With all these commercial ventures, contracts, board memberships, and licenses Dr. Cotsarelis has accrued for all of these valuable "discoveries", I have to ask myself some obvious questions, but I won't do that here, I'll leave it to you.

I just have to ask, though, with all that media coverage he suddenly gets coming IMMEDIATELY after these "discoveries", I wonder how that is happening. How the &%^$# do the media know exactly after Dr. Cotsarelis makes one of these discoveries, that he's made it?

Are they camped out and embedded in his lab at the University of Pennsylvania, sleeping on a cot and monitoring his work 24/7?

Or is he calling them to get the coverage?

And if he is, I re-submit to you event #5 on the above list: the inevitable commercialization or parlaying of every "disocvery" into some business opportunity.

Does anyone else see the connection between the media coverage and that part of the whole thing?

If this cycle (1-5 above) had happened once with clear results from Dr. Cotsarelis and something concrete to show for it, I'd be the first to call the good doctor brilliant, and genuflect in his presence.

But, the above chain of events has happened not just once, but many times before, almost exactly as related above, with steps 1-5 occurring and recurring like clockwork, again and again in an endless cycle.

Take steps 1-5 above, complete in full.

Then repeat.

And repeat.

And repeat.

And repeat.

Given the above, I think people have the right to be skeptical.

One more thing to add: As soon as Dr. Mulugeta's findings of hair growth from Astressin-B were announced in the media, what happened? Dr. Cotsarelis was interviewed and he basically dismissed Dr. Cotsarelis' findings as irrelevant for most hairloss sufferers, saying if there was hair growth, the treatment could only possibly be useful for stress-induced baldness, not for MPB.

Uhhhh.... really, doctor?

Isn't it possible that both stress-induced hairloss and MPB both feed into the same, or similar, final common biochemical pathway, or that Astressin-B can somehow block the effects of DHT, or positively stimulate MPB-miniaturized follicles in some way that overrides DHT's effects? Even I know that's possible from taking undergraduate biochemistry.

How could he possibly "know" that Astressin-B wouldn't work without taking a closer look at it?

I find his inclination to deliver a hasty negative verdict on another researcher's findings to be a bit self-serving.

And no, unlike some on this board, I do not regard Dr. Cotsarelis as some kind of hairloss Zeus, sent down from the clouds with infinite brilliance to cure us. He's just an M.D. hairloss researcher with some very savvy PR and media skills, and insofar as his ability to produce real-world results, thus far he has come up a bit short.

roger_that is located in MARYLAND and he is available to meet: YES
email to arrange a meeting.

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