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waynakyo

02.08.2013, 19:31
 

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

This board has been invaded with posts on this guy. He shows all suspicious signs and it is sad that some people will waste their and our time on this now.

If some doctor has a new miracle procedure that is scientific he would write a paper, file a patent, and will show us that it works in a year or 2... Until we see real scientific results we do not have to worry about this. He could go and sell his idea for a big company too and get multi-millions.

The claims for multiplication have been discussed for years on here, and pushed by some doctors who are quite mysterious... In the meanwhile one of these doctors could have already transformed a NW5 to a solid NW2, and got our attention. Instead, none of that. Our policy should be: OK show us what you got in a year or 2 from now and we will listen then.

If HM is working, even at 50% regeneration, an NW5 can easily become a solid NW2 or NW1... so the burden of proof is on these docs..




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appleguy

02.08.2013, 20:48

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

New guy.

Stop acting as though you speak for everyone here.
I have been on these boards watching for three years now and he's so far the only thing I have hope in and I believe most of this board feels the same.
I don't care to hear anything about your low brow, no-nothing opinion. Go away!

Matter of fact admin should delete this stupid thread.




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mm12

02.08.2013, 21:51

@ appleguy

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

To waynakyo
I have no idea where you came from to post anything like this. Your post doesn't mean anything and doesn't have a weight on members in here. Dr Nigam is by far the best for cure in here. The problem with European and American researchers is that report a finding every few years and they disappear for quite sometime. What dr Nigam does is that he takes the ideas of these researchers and making them work. These big companies stick to one thing for months and they have to follow the FDA's guidelines while in India the guidelines are not that strict.




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cal

03.08.2013, 10:19

@ mm12

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

The title of this forum is not "HM options that have been scientifically proven to work."




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hairman2

03.08.2013, 10:22

@ cal

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

In all fairness to Dr Nigam I do agree with the poster, that if Dr Nigam truly would like prove his therapy works he should consider publishing scientific data in a peer reviewed journal. That would most certainly boost his credibility and raise further awareness to what Dr Nigam is doing.

Originally Posted by cal

The title of this forum is not "HM options that have been scientifically proven to work."





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roger_that

MARYLAND,
03.08.2013, 12:55
(edited by roger_that, 03.08.2013, 13:29)

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

If some doctor has a new miracle procedure that is scientific he would write a paper, file a patent,


The above statement is ignorance, pure and simple.

http://www.brainleague.com/case_studies/medicalmethod.pdf

"... Similarly, US patent law allows methods of medical treatment to be patented but denies a remedy for its infringement, thus nullifying the right insofar as there is no enforceability. The nullification provision was hurriedly enacted in 1996 after wide dissatisfaction was provoked in the medical community by Pallin’s case. The European Patent Convention under Article 52 Clause 4 excludes from the scope of patentable subject matter methods of treatment of the human or animal body by surgery and therapy and diagnostic methods practiced on humans ..."

"The patent law of Japan also excludes methods of medical treatment from the scope of patentable subject matter. Part II of the Examination Guidelines for Patent and Utility Models provides extensive guidelines for patenting methods of medical treatment similar to European law. The Examination Guidelines permit patenting of In vitro diagnostic methods and cosmetic methods. China and India also explicitly exclude methods of medical treatment from patentability."

A cosmetic medical treatment can be patented, and the patent enforced, in Japan or Australia, but NOT in the USA, Europe, India or China.

In most major countries around the world, this is now the case.

As far as what you said about Dr. Nigam, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Don't expect that in any given situation every doctor or researcher would do the same exact thing. That's laughable. This is a much bigger, and more complex world than you seem to think. Crawl out of your hole and learn more about the world.




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jarjarbinx

03.08.2013, 18:02

@ roger_that

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Processing studies and doing scientific papers take numerous months, or even a year or more from start to publication. If we are waiting for publication in a prestigious journal then that could easily take a year or more.

I would rather Dr. Nigam continue to experiment as he is doing now. He's advancing hair loss treatments and that is what I think he should do.




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Steve78

03.08.2013, 18:55

@ jarjarbinx

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Is it wrong for me to say that even with all the accusations that he is not a real doctor and that he sexually harrassed a female doctor from antoher clinic etc etc, i am still willing to go to see him if he can grow my hair back, even if all the accusations turned out to be true.

Does that make me a bad person?




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waynakyo

03.08.2013, 19:28

@ Steve78

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

I did not want to insult anyone, but I think I have and not sure it is my fault. You guys should not be that sensitive to criticism in this context.

I have been on these forums (not this one though) for YEARS, since 2002. I have seen many many claims, and as you know 0.1% of them came to some fruition. We have seen famous companies with much to lose in terms of credibility making big claims then retracting them. While this does not mean that every claim is wrong it should at least set the bar a bit higher. It made me, logically, interested in hearing about all the potential options, even the experimental work, without losing sight and focusing on one. No one puts all their savings in one startup company, same we shouldn't be spending all our time almost obsessing about something that has a low rate of success. I mean, it is understandable to be obsessed about hair, but sooner or later we will find out if this or other doctor/drug offer some solution. I do not see the point of trying to analyze 100 times some pictures and some claims which can NOT be validated in any way, for now.

When Histogen came out, hundreds of threads were written about it. Those who I found most annoying are those that started already asking about the pricing of a procedure that is not even finalized. You remember intercytex? same thing. And suddenly it went out of buisness, and no word about this since. The obsession was channeled to something else.

I am just saying, this forum is a place for all of us to learn, as much as we can, about what the near future might bring to us in terms of treatment. By focusing on one single potential option we are missing other potentially more interesting considerations. It is because I think that these forums are potentially helpful that I get upset when all I see is some back and forth on some images that no one can scientifically deduce anything from.

I am just saying, we got the point.. not much we can do from our side for now on this except speculate... instead we could just wait out, tell Nigam and others we look forward for convincing evidence once they have it, and move on to discuss other alternatives.

The attitude on these forums is not inconsequential to the big picture. The more people show a blind faith and obsession about new and non-proven procedures/drugs, the more there will be people who are willing to exploit that weakness. I am not saying Nigam is one of them, I do hope he has the cure.




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Aran Linvail

03.08.2013, 19:33

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Why don't you explain to us which part of his procedure do you have a problem with? Is it the DP culture? Is it the stem cell culture? Is it the 3d DP aggregation and microfollicle in vitro, or is it doubling?


If it's none of the above, and just a general rant, then go away.




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lalyric

03.08.2013, 19:48

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

another bad ht doctor trying to stop nigam from finding a cure you notice a lot of these so call forum members are really ht doctors from the usa or some other country and know they going to to take a financial hit once nigam comes up with a cure or a better solution to hairloss so they come on these sites to try to stop him by insulting everything he do cause they fighting a losing battle they bring up spencer like he somebody special if was he wouldn't be going bald with his receding hairline ass so fuc all nigam haters cause sooner or later he and his supporter going to get the last laugh
have a good day:-)




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
03.08.2013, 20:21

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Are you the old HairSite poster tk421? You're narrowminded.




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jarjarbinx

03.08.2013, 22:30

@ Aran Linvail

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Aran, I'm not the poster you addressed your post to but could I ask a few questions of you since you seem to be implying that you would know the answers?


1. I think I know what stem cell culture is. It's just a matter of getting some stem cells, culturing them to make many more and then injecting them into the scalp. Is this correct?

2. I assume that DP culture is the same thing as number 1 above except that instead of involving stem cells it involved dermal papilla cells. (aka DP cells) Is this correct?

3. I have no idea what 3d DP aggregation and microfollicle in vitro means. What does this mean?




Originally Posted by Aran Linvail

Why don't you explain to us which part of his procedure do you have a problem with? Is it the DP culture? Is it the stem cell culture? Is it the 3d DP aggregation and microfollicle in vitro, or is it doubling?


If it's none of the above, and just a general rant, then go away.





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Aran Linvail

04.08.2013, 02:49

@ jarjarbinx

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Aran, I'm not the poster you addressed your post to but could I ask a few questions of you since you seem to be implying that you would know the answers?


1. I think I know what stem cell culture is. It's just a matter of getting some stem cells, culturing them to make many more and then injecting them into the scalp. Is this correct?

2. I assume that DP culture is the same thing as number 1 above except that instead of involving stem cells it involved dermal papilla cells. (aka DP cells) Is this correct?

3. I have no idea what 3d DP aggregation and microfollicle in vitro means. What does this mean?

Originally Posted by jarjarbinx


I don't know the answers, but I'd like criticism of Dr Nigam to be more specific and not focused on baseless generalizations like the OP did.

1) Yes, as far as I know.

2) Yes

3) Here, I believe Nigam is trying to make 3D spheres of DP cells and inject them, the goal is that they make a protofollicle in vitro. If I am not mistaken.




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waynakyo

04.08.2013, 14:58

@ Aran Linvail

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

I couldn't have written a more balanced and reasonable post, but still you are offended by the mere suggestion that we should not put all of our focus on one guy, that 100 posts about this is a bit too much.

The army of Dr Nigam is offended. Next thing you will burn my house. So I will stop. Besides it is very obvious that Dr Nigam has the miracle procedure, I agree with you all. He is also smart, attractive, and honest.

Best of luck to all.

PS: and yes to the poster above, I am a terrible HT doctor who feels threatened by Dr Nigam, since he will be bringing his cure to the market in 1 year, and I just opened my office. Too bad, you guys are too smart, I thought my evil plan would work.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
04.08.2013, 17:06

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

The army of Dr Nigam is offended. Next thing you will burn my house. So I will stop. Besides it is very obvious that Dr Nigam has the miracle procedure, I agree with you all. He is also smart, attractive, and honest.

Best of luck to all.

PS: and yes to the poster above, I am a terrible HT doctor who feels threatened by Dr Nigam, since he will be bringing his cure to the market in 1 year, and I just opened my office. Too bad, you guys are too smart, I thought my evil plan would work.


Is it necessary to be so sarcastic? In your first post, you basically ordered the forum members to stop discussing Dr. Nigam. Whether you believe Dr. Nigam's claims or not (and there has been a healthy debate about the subject here on the board), people don't like being told what to do.




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chris

04.08.2013, 18:10

@ waynakyo

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

Waynakyo I am with you in the sense that there is always a flavor of the month in this forum, but if Nigam is really a sc am artist, isn't it better that he is exposed here so that we can move onto something else that is real?

I enjoy reading the posts in this forum but it doesn't mean that I am following everything blindly, I can make my own decision.




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waynakyo

07.08.2013, 03:49

@ chris

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

I agree that " forget about" is a bit too strong, but i thought you guys got my drift...[center][/center], let s talk about the other stuff too... It seems that at least a third of the posts are about one guy.




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matigol

08.08.2013, 11:00

@ lalyric

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

"another bad ht doctor" is imo dr. nigam

I don`t know if he's here to find some guinea pigs for his backyard laboratory or if he wants to sell expensive PRP injections with the same results as on his lousy pics.

This guy must have a boring job, as he can discuss his "science" here in a forum. He can`t be so stupid and talking publically about his research.

This slimonphone-Doctor ist surely not the holy hair grale!

With our hair, you lost your common sense




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Aleluia

08.08.2013, 13:12

@ matigol

Can you PLEASE forget about Nigam

I don´t believe in Dr. Nigam, as i didn´t believe in Dr. Gho...

But you guys have the right to talk about everything you want here.




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