drnigam 11.09.2013, 15:25 |
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As per request of certain members, on HS and other forums, |
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hairman2 11.09.2013, 17:50 @ drnigam |
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The candidate is indisputably a NW6. Wish you good luck and all the best for your test. If this works, I will be in your clinic next year |
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scarro 11.09.2013, 19:22 @ drnigam |
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WOW! |
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vipalex 11.09.2013, 21:04 @ hairman2 |
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I agree whit you 10000000000% |
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Aran Linvail 12.09.2013, 04:51 @ drnigam |
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Good luck to Dr Nigam, have bookmarked this page! --- |
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PaulHNYC 12.09.2013, 06:47 @ Aran Linvail |
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The WHOLE WORLD is watching. If Dr. Nigam is truly using HM, this will be historic. We need evidence. |
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Freddie555 13.09.2013, 07:44 @ PaulHNYC |
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Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight. --- |
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durent 13.09.2013, 09:49 @ Freddie555 |
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Very good case, my personal opinion is that this photos are good. I wish you good luck Dr. Nigam. |
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Evo 13.09.2013, 13:10 @ Freddie555 |
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Word! ![]() Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight. A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. You're born with a total of 100K hairs and by adult NW2, you should have 75K+ terminal hairs in tact. Let us also review what is NOT the definition of NW2. NW2 is not some low density sparse hair transplant with a combover to give the illusion of NW2. That kind of fake NW2 look you can get with the run of the mill hair transplant. The results in real life (3D) look quite fake. So that is NOT a NW2. With the above in mind and assuming no idiot tries to muddy up the definition, I hope we will see from Dr. Nigam a true NW6 to NW2 transformation in the days ahead. Evo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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AleMB81 13.09.2013, 13:45 @ Freddie555 |
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Freddie basically what you say it's right even if I'm sure that you can get a good REAL result even if you don't have 75,000 hairs on your head but even something close to 60,000 (75,000 hairs could be consider "perfection" |
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hairman2 13.09.2013, 14:28 @ AleMB81 |
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exactly.. you do not have to exaggerate expectations... 12'000-15'000 grafts would probably offer pretty good results already. ![]() Freddie basically what you say it's right even if I'm sure that you can get a good REAL result even if you don't have 75,000 hairs on your head but even something close to 60,000 (75,000 hairs could be consider "perfection" ![]() However, as far as I know, an adult should have 100,000 hairs more or less. So, if you exclude the hairs which are not involved in the balding process, we could approximally say we need to take care of 50,000 hairs only. So we can say that a follicle can produce even 2/3 hairs per time so if you divide 50,000 for 2 you will see you need 25,000 hair follicles to get the perfection ...however I'm sure that even with 15,000 you can get a really interesting result! hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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myself2 13.09.2013, 21:44 @ hairman2 |
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Great patient selection this time Dr Nigams. My congratulations. Now please seize this chance and document this case correctly. Get a good photographer. Shave his scalp. Get us photo's in which we clearly can count all grafts. If you do it like that and you can show us it works, then the whole world will be on that plane to India. On the other hand, if you once again get us blurry and/or incomplete pictures, I'm sure that most people will forget about you. This is your last chance. Please do seize it. |
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myself2 13.09.2013, 21:57 @ myself2 |
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One thing that I don't understand though. Maybe I'm just over critical here, but I guess one can not be critical enough when it comes to prove new hairloss therapies. When I zoom in on for example picture 3, on the temples, I see a lot of 'dots'. Points where it seems that there once was hair. I just looked at my own temples, on some highres photo's I shot and even when I zoom in, I just don't see any similar dots at all. The skin is just smooth, even at points where once grew hair. |
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RickH 14.09.2013, 01:28 @ Freddie555 |
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![]() Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight. A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. You're born with a total of 100K hairs and by adult NW2, you should have 75K+ terminal hairs in tact....With the above in mind and assuming no idiot tries to muddy up the definition, I hope we will see from Dr. Nigam a true NW6 to NW2 transformation in the days ahead. Where did you find this hair count definition for a NW2? I've never seen it before. Didn't you just make it up because that number sounds good to you? That is as perfect an example of muddying up the definition with BS as we are likely to see. The Hamilton-Norwood scale has to do with patterns of baldness, not hair counts. Does this mean if Dr Nigam is able to give these men 10,000 new follicles (a "mere" 25,000 new hairs or so) you will refuse his procedure and wait for your ideal? Will you call him a failure? Stop being absurd. RickH is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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tuvok 14.09.2013, 02:39 @ RickH |
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![]() Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight. A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. ![]() Where did you find this hair count definition for a NW2? I've never seen it before. Stop being absurd. Agreed, a normal NW6 have a bald area around 200-250 cm2, let's say 250. A a full head of hair is around 200 hairs for cm2, very good coverage without spot at all could be around 100-150. So let's say 250x150=37500. No way near to 75k Said that, 150 hairs for cm2 are more than 75 uf for cm2. No one could implant at that density, you must lower your expectation further. Rahl or H&W or Feriduni made dense pack at 60-70 cm2 no further. Surgical restoration in very good case give you a illusion of density, in small cases extra give you good approximation to normal density. tuvok is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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cal 14.09.2013, 06:12 @ tuvok |
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Most guys don't even notice they are thinning (let alone balding) until they are already down to maybe 60% of their original density. If you can get 60% of your original density restored with HTs then there isn't much to complain about as long as you aren't trying to be a shampoo model for a living. |
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jarjarbinx 14.09.2013, 06:19 @ myself2 |
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so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy? ![]() One thing that I don't understand though. Maybe I'm just over critical here, but I guess one can not be critical enough when it comes to prove new hairloss therapies. When I zoom in on for example picture 3, on the temples, I see a lot of 'dots'. Points where it seems that there once was hair. I just looked at my own temples, on some highres photo's I shot and even when I zoom in, I just don't see any similar dots at all. The skin is just smooth, even at points where once grew hair. I can't help but think this looks like extracted hair. Again, maybe I'm seeing ghosts here and am I overly critical ... But again, my own case looks very different, that's why I ask. jarjarbinx is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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myself2 14.09.2013, 07:15 @ jarjarbinx |
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so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy? ![]() It does sound really crazy. Totally agreed. But if somebody expects to make multi millions out of it ? Does it still sound that crazy ? myself2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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myself2 14.09.2013, 07:20 @ myself2 |
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Not too long ago I read in the newspaper about this woman they caught on a German airport, who had a breast enlargment, only not filled with silicone, but with cocaine. How crazy does that sound ? To cut yourself open and put bags of cocaine under your skin ? For what, 10k usd maybe ? The crazy sh*t people do for a little bit of money .. |
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myself2 14.09.2013, 09:47 @ myself2 |
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Anyway, I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, just some pores. But can't help to notice it looks quite odd. I've compared it to my own skins pores and it looks quite different. The closest thing it looks like to me are cut-off hairs (like in that picture: http://s11.postimg.org/4n3eh19mr/picture.jpg ) |
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cal 14.09.2013, 12:19 @ myself2 |
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Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India. |
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blackjak 14.09.2013, 17:55 @ drnigam |
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I have been reading the posts about Dr. Nigam on and off since the beginning of this year. Can someone tell me what happened to the test subjects who received treatment earlier this year? Failed,no follow-up or not convincing? |
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Freddie555 14.09.2013, 20:15 @ cal |
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As I said, do not muddy up the definition with BS. The only thing that does is open up the door to a load of charlatans who will claim to have the cure while showing half-assed results with fancy picture taking techniques. --- |
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cal 14.09.2013, 20:56 @ Freddie555 |
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I recall even the mighty Follica once mentioning that their regenerated hair was only about 80% of original density. Aderans never produced much regrowth at all. You may go to your grave waiting on somebody to give you 75,000 hairs back. |
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helpmeout 14.09.2013, 20:58 @ drnigam |
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Dr. Nigam, what is the reason for doing the blood test? What do you need to find from the blood work before starting the treatment? --- |
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ipod 15.09.2013, 02:22 @ Freddie555 |
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![]() The only definition of NW2 is a real NW2 hair count of approximately 75000 hairs or thereabouts. Anything less and its NOT a NW6 to NW2 transition. Freddy there is no such thing as a real or a pseudo NW2. NW2 is NW2, and it is going to look like the picture here, some may have more density than other so it is unrealistic to hold Nigam to your so called scientific hair count for NW2. ![]() ipod is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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jarjarbinx 15.09.2013, 03:37 @ cal |
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myself2 is not suggesting that Dr. Nigam simply cut some guy's hair to make the guy look bald. He's suggesting that Dr. Nigam plucked out the guy's hair to make the guy look bald...plucked out thousands of some guy's hairs to make the guy look bald. Maybe 10's of thousands. ![]() Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India. I'm not saying that Dr. Nigam did this but it would be very easy to do. jarjarbinx is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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tuvok 15.09.2013, 03:47 @ Freddie555 |
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![]() Again, please do not muddy up the criteria by which we may declare a cure. I'm not looking to get into some rambling discussion with anyone on this subject as I will not compromise on this definition. 75000 hairs means a density of 300 hairs for cm2 on bald area, this is insane, basically you asking to transform a bank manager in a cat and if you don't realize that you are insane too tuvok is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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Freddie555 15.09.2013, 07:07 @ tuvok |
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As I said, do not muddy up the definition of a CURE with nonsense. --- |
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AleMB81 15.09.2013, 08:43 @ Freddie555 |
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Freddie i'm sorry to tell u that your scientific definition of nw2 is not 100% correct. The scientific world says that in general who has black hair has 100,000 hairs, the brown ones has 120,000 hairs and the blonde ones something like 150,000. |
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cal 15.09.2013, 09:17 @ AleMB81 |
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Accurately counting 75,000 hairs on a person's head would be an impressive in itself. |
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drnigam 15.09.2013, 15:00 @ myself2 |
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Friends/critics so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy? ![]() ![]() It does sound really crazy. Totally agreed. But if somebody expects to make multi millions out of it ? Does it still sound that crazy ? drnigam has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view drnigam is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. |
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JJJ Jr. S 15.09.2013, 21:58 @ drnigam |
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I think Thane would be a very suitable candidate. There is no doubt that he is a NW7 and has very poor donor density. Traditional hair transplant procedures would offer him very little and would be instantly noticeable. |
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helpmeout 15.09.2013, 22:37 @ JJJ Jr. S |
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I agree Thane is the best guy for this, he is as slick bald as it can get. |
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Mr. Z 15.09.2013, 23:24 @ cal |
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![]() I recall even the mighty Follica once mentioning that their regenerated hair was only about 80% of original density. Aderans never produced much regrowth at all. You may go to your grave waiting on somebody to give you 75,000 hairs back. But I think the point you are getting at is less radical. Giving a patient the equivalent of 5000 or 6000 HT grafts is not a "full restoration." It is no better than a good result with existing HT tech. Whatever new treatment/transplant option comes next, it needs to produce something significantly better than this (like double it) before we are going to view it as a real step forward. Getting another 25% over existing HTs would be progress but it would not be a game-changer by any stretch. I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category. At this point, after watching the demise of so many promising treatments, i would be thrilled to see that level of grafts made available. Even better if it can be done without hacking up the donor. Mr. Z is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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jarjarbinx 16.09.2013, 00:18 @ cal |
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Alright Cal I just got up close to my head in the mirror and I can see I have those little bumps too. Dr. Nigam is not at my house so he did not pluck my hairs out and neither did I. Nobody has. That is just what happens with some hairs for some reason - perhaps under the skin the follicle is still trying to grow so pushes up against the skin. I don't know. But I do know that we drive away people who want to help us with our mean-spirited insults. ![]() Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India. I'm not saying that Dr. Nigam did this but it would be very easy to do. jarjarbinx is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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cal 16.09.2013, 09:46 @ jarjarbinx |
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I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category. |
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drnigam 16.09.2013, 15:14 (edited by drnigam, 16.09.2013, 15:54) @ cal |
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Kindly find below pics of the patient Wq..28year old,software engineer. ![]() I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category. At this point, after watching the demise of so many promising treatments, i would be thrilled to see that level of grafts made available. Even better if it can be done without hacking up the donor. It probably wouldn't take near 10k just to restore a NW#3-4. Over the years I have come to think there is a phenomenon of diminishing returns at work on conventional HTs. The first couple thousand grafts go a long way but the later thousands have less and less of a cosmetic impact. I'm not talking about artistic decisions, but rather the coverage a patient gets for XXXX amount of grafts moved on their head. You can find a few 10,000-graft HT patients out there right now. There are many in the 7000+ range. But the cosmetic gains don't seem to reflect the numbers, generally speaking. A patient with 7500-9000 grafts doesn't come out looking like they got 3x as much hair back as a good 2500-3000 graft patient. The reasons are debatable. Graft survival decreasing as dense-packing goes up and/or more grafts per session, fewer and fewer several-hair grafts in the donor area to pick from . .. whatever. The bottom line is that we usually see diminishing returns from more grafts as the total transplanted graft figure goes up. I speak of 5000 or 6000 grafts as if they are the maximum with current HT tech. You might be able to get a lot more grafts than these numbers transplanted, but the ultimate cosmetic improvement probably won't be more than double the coverage of a good 2500-3000 graft job. That is why I talk about "10,000 grafts" being a huge step forward. Going to a clinic and paying to have 10,000 grafts done . . that is do-able. But ending up with 10,000 grafts worth of cosmetic improvement when the dust settles . . that doesn't happen. It would be a game-changer if the average HT patient could go to a good doc and get 3x the amount of hair restored as a good 3000 graft patient. drnigam has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view drnigam is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. |
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Evo 16.09.2013, 15:48 @ drnigam |
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Dr Nigam - I appreciate your efforts, but everyone and their mother has been complaining about before/after photos - different hair length and different lighting render them essentially meaningless. |
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drnigam 16.09.2013, 16:10 @ Evo |
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Don't worry,further photos of this case will be with same lights as after photos taken today, |
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gc83uk 17.09.2013, 21:36 @ drnigam |
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I would just like to add my 2 cents to this conversation. I have been emailing Dr Nigam on and off for a few weeks/months. His latest idea of restoring a nw6 should be his most credible to date. |
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myself2 18.09.2013, 22:02 @ gc83uk |
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![]() I would just like to add my 2 cents to this conversation. I have been emailing Dr Nigam on and off for a few weeks/months. His latest idea of restoring a nw6 should be his most credible to date. I vote THANE Dr Nigam, please do everything you can to encourage Thane as your main test subject. This is the perfect case in my opinion. It will be irrefutable. Good luck. Totally agree with Gaz and JJJJRS here. Forget about all other patients. Focus on Thane. No need to cherrypick grafts, everything should regrow so you can use all grafts in donor. Do 4000 grafts de-novo (so 8.000 in recipient) and after a few months repeat. Patient would get 16.000 grafts, enough for a nice full head of hair. It's all we need to see. If this works, I'm sure most people will be on that plane to India. Arashi. myself2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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RickH 19.09.2013, 00:47 @ JJJ Jr. S |
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I agree that Thane is the best candidate for proving the effectiveness of what you're doing. It is simply impossible for him to get a significant amount of hair using conventional techniques. If he ends up with hair, you have proven your claims. |
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hairdar 19.09.2013, 04:43 @ drnigam |
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Dr Nigam, I'd love to see the same test case on a Caucasian patient with dark hair for better contrast between skin and hair. Thanks --- |
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Noyznarcos 19.09.2013, 13:12 @ hairdar |
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I also agree, Thane is the best candidate. |
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Norwood3 19.09.2013, 17:08 @ Noyznarcos |
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Thane for sure ! |
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myself2 19.09.2013, 20:23 @ Norwood3 |
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Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ? |
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Freddie555 20.09.2013, 03:53 @ myself2 |
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I vote Thane too and I hope to see him as a true NW2. --- |
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Aran Linvail 20.09.2013, 05:17 @ Freddie555 |
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I don't care about getting a NW2, what I hope to see is a result that grows cosmetically significant hair that could not have been done by an HT. --- |
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drnigam 20.09.2013, 17:38 @ myself2 |
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I am at Delhi for next two days,will revert with details on monday. ![]() Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ? drnigam has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view drnigam is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. |
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hairman2 20.09.2013, 17:46 @ drnigam |
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When will your employee with the 16 graft patch test provide us with some follow up pictures? The last assessment took place I think roughly at the 3 month mark. We should examine the follow up images I am at Delhi for next two days,will revert with details on monday. The first step would be to extract 50 grafts for the stemcells isolation ,multiplication,isolation of dp cells and its culture.... after we get good number of these cells(in 20/25 days)..we will subsequently, start the doubling procedure. ![]() Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ? ![]() hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |