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drnigam

11.09.2013, 15:25
 

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

As per request of certain members, on HS and other forums,

Kindly find pics of the first patient selected for nw1/2 transformation,

Will shortly post pics of, four more patients ,who are ready to update their progress...

Who are, nw6/7 for nw1/2 transformation with combination of HM /DP cultures and doubling...

If anyone wants any more pics,before we start the case on 15th ,let me know ..it should not be a problem..as his office is near to the clinic.

I will also shoot his single shot video on HD camera.
Will give the details of his donor area, number of available grafts,donor density,Recipient area to be covered etc.with the case presentation later..

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 will not need any analysis..as the result would be obvious...

Mr.Js

1)Below is the first case,whose HM,DP cultures and doubling will begin on 15th september. He is the bank manager of the bank opposite my clinic at mumbai...He is 50 plus ..he got his medical fitness and blood test today..

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hairman2

11.09.2013, 17:50

@ drnigam

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

The candidate is indisputably a NW6. Wish you good luck and all the best for your test. If this works, I will be in your clinic next year :)

I hate to be too over critical but I do think that lighting in the before pictures could have been a wee bit better




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scarro

11.09.2013, 19:22

@ drnigam

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

WOW!

Much Respect to the Dr. and the patient.




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vipalex

11.09.2013, 21:04

@ hairman2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

I agree whit you 10000000000%
:)
The 15 of September is my birthday
I hope to celebrate with the new invention of Doctor Nigam

regards
Alex




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Aran Linvail

12.09.2013, 04:51

@ drnigam

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Good luck to Dr Nigam, have bookmarked this page!




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PaulHNYC

12.09.2013, 06:47

@ Aran Linvail

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

The WHOLE WORLD is watching. If Dr. Nigam is truly using HM, this will be historic. We need evidence.




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Freddie555

13.09.2013, 07:44

@ PaulHNYC

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight.

A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. You're born with a total of 100K hairs and by adult NW2, you should have 75K+ terminal hairs in tact.

Let us also review what is NOT the definition of NW2.

NW2 is not some low density sparse hair transplant with a combover to give the illusion of NW2. That kind of fake NW2 look you can get with the run of the mill hair transplant. The results in real life (3D) look quite fake. So that is NOT a NW2.

With the above in mind and assuming no idiot tries to muddy up the definition, I hope we will see from Dr. Nigam a true NW6 to NW2 transformation in the days ahead.




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durent

13.09.2013, 09:49

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Very good case, my personal opinion is that this photos are good. I wish you good luck Dr. Nigam.




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Evo

13.09.2013, 13:10

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Word!


Originally Posted by Freddie555

Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight.

A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. You're born with a total of 100K hairs and by adult NW2, you should have 75K+ terminal hairs in tact.

Let us also review what is NOT the definition of NW2.

NW2 is not some low density sparse hair transplant with a combover to give the illusion of NW2. That kind of fake NW2 look you can get with the run of the mill hair transplant. The results in real life (3D) look quite fake. So that is NOT a NW2.

With the above in mind and assuming no idiot tries to muddy up the definition, I hope we will see from Dr. Nigam a true NW6 to NW2 transformation in the days ahead.





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AleMB81

13.09.2013, 13:45

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Freddie basically what you say it's right even if I'm sure that you can get a good REAL result even if you don't have 75,000 hairs on your head but even something close to 60,000 (75,000 hairs could be consider "perfection";)

However, as far as I know, an adult should have 100,000 hairs more or less. So, if you exclude the hairs which are not involved in the balding process, we could approximally say we need to take care of 50,000 hairs only.

So we can say that a follicle can produce even 2/3 hairs per time so if you divide 50,000 for 2 you will see you need 25,000 hair follicles to get the perfection ...however I'm sure that even with 15,000 you can get a really interesting result!




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hairman2

13.09.2013, 14:28

@ AleMB81

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

exactly.. you do not have to exaggerate expectations... 12'000-15'000 grafts would probably offer pretty good results already.

Originally Posted by AleMB81

Freddie basically what you say it's right even if I'm sure that you can get a good REAL result even if you don't have 75,000 hairs on your head but even something close to 60,000 (75,000 hairs could be consider "perfection";)

However, as far as I know, an adult should have 100,000 hairs more or less. So, if you exclude the hairs which are not involved in the balding process, we could approximally say we need to take care of 50,000 hairs only.

So we can say that a follicle can produce even 2/3 hairs per time so if you divide 50,000 for 2 you will see you need 25,000 hair follicles to get the perfection ...however I'm sure that even with 15,000 you can get a really interesting result!





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myself2

13.09.2013, 21:44

@ hairman2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Great patient selection this time Dr Nigams. My congratulations. Now please seize this chance and document this case correctly. Get a good photographer. Shave his scalp. Get us photo's in which we clearly can count all grafts. If you do it like that and you can show us it works, then the whole world will be on that plane to India. On the other hand, if you once again get us blurry and/or incomplete pictures, I'm sure that most people will forget about you. This is your last chance. Please do seize it.

Arashi.




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myself2

13.09.2013, 21:57

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

One thing that I don't understand though. Maybe I'm just over critical here, but I guess one can not be critical enough when it comes to prove new hairloss therapies. When I zoom in on for example picture 3, on the temples, I see a lot of 'dots'. Points where it seems that there once was hair. I just looked at my own temples, on some highres photo's I shot and even when I zoom in, I just don't see any similar dots at all. The skin is just smooth, even at points where once grew hair.

I can't help but think this looks like extracted hair. Again, maybe I'm seeing ghosts here and am I overly critical ... But again, my own case looks very different, that's why I ask.




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RickH

14.09.2013, 01:28

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Originally Posted by Freddie555

Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight.
A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head. You're born with a total of 100K hairs and by adult NW2, you should have 75K+ terminal hairs in tact....With the above in mind and assuming no idiot tries to muddy up the definition, I hope we will see from Dr. Nigam a true NW6 to NW2 transformation in the days ahead.


Where did you find this hair count definition for a NW2? I've never seen it before. Didn't you just make it up because that number sounds good to you? That is as perfect an example of muddying up the definition with BS as we are likely to see. The Hamilton-Norwood scale has to do with patterns of baldness, not hair counts.

Does this mean if Dr Nigam is able to give these men 10,000 new follicles (a "mere" 25,000 new hairs or so) you will refuse his procedure and wait for your ideal? Will you call him a failure?

Stop being absurd.




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tuvok

14.09.2013, 02:39

@ RickH

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Originally Posted by Freddie555

Once again, let us review the definition of NW 2 so there is no controversy. Please nobody try to muddy up the definition with BS. Lets keep the definition straight.
A NW2 is a person with approximately 75000+ hairs on his head.
Originally Posted by RickH


Where did you find this hair count definition for a NW2? I've never seen it before.
Stop being absurd.


Agreed, a normal NW6 have a bald area around 200-250 cm2, let's say 250.
A a full head of hair is around 200 hairs for cm2, very good coverage without spot at all could be around 100-150.
So let's say 250x150=37500. No way near to 75k

Said that, 150 hairs for cm2 are more than 75 uf for cm2.
No one could implant at that density, you must lower your expectation further. Rahl or H&W or Feriduni made dense pack at 60-70 cm2 no further.

Surgical restoration in very good case give you a illusion of density, in small cases extra give you good approximation to normal density.




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cal

14.09.2013, 06:12

@ tuvok

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Most guys don't even notice they are thinning (let alone balding) until they are already down to maybe 60% of their original density. If you can get 60% of your original density restored with HTs then there isn't much to complain about as long as you aren't trying to be a shampoo model for a living.



Also, quite a few guys with "60 grafts/cm2" transplants . . I think some of the numbers aren't representative. Either they are getting ripped off and charged for more grafts than they received, or else the clinic transplanted that many grafts without adequate concern for how many of them actually survived. Maybe some of both, I don't know.

But there are guys who have paid to have 3000 FUE grafts put into areas that could barely contain 1500 dots from a fine felt-tip marker. That kind of packing, in one single session no less? Something is wrong. Is it any surprise that these cases usually don't end up looking much fuller than 1500 grafts would have looked from another doc in that area?



IMHO it's also not even worth evaluating a "max possible density" case that was all done with a single session. Any doc that packs the truly maximum possible density onto bare balded skin the first session is being reckless IMHO. There's too much risk of tissue dying, excessive scarring, etc.

What I am trying to say is that the typical "max density packing" from a single session is probably not as much as the patient could have gotten in two sessions over the same spot, even if the first session was enough to satisfy him not to do a second pass.




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jarjarbinx

14.09.2013, 06:19

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy?


Originally Posted by myself2

One thing that I don't understand though. Maybe I'm just over critical here, but I guess one can not be critical enough when it comes to prove new hairloss therapies. When I zoom in on for example picture 3, on the temples, I see a lot of 'dots'. Points where it seems that there once was hair. I just looked at my own temples, on some highres photo's I shot and even when I zoom in, I just don't see any similar dots at all. The skin is just smooth, even at points where once grew hair.

I can't help but think this looks like extracted hair. Again, maybe I'm seeing ghosts here and am I overly critical ... But again, my own case looks very different, that's why I ask.





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myself2

14.09.2013, 07:15

@ jarjarbinx

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy?
Originally Posted by jarjarbinx

It does sound really crazy. Totally agreed. But if somebody expects to make multi millions out of it ? Does it still sound that crazy ?




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myself2

14.09.2013, 07:20

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Not too long ago I read in the newspaper about this woman they caught on a German airport, who had a breast enlargment, only not filled with silicone, but with cocaine. How crazy does that sound ? To cut yourself open and put bags of cocaine under your skin ? For what, 10k usd maybe ? The crazy sh*t people do for a little bit of money ..

But let's not speculate here. I'm not saying Nigams did this. Just would like somebody to show me a picture of a natural balding scalp showing the same type of dots and I'll shut up again :)

Also look at this picture, I copied a copy of the temples into it: http://s11.postimg.org/4n3eh19mr/picture.jpg
Quite similar right ? Only this guy is not really bald, he shaved his head.




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myself2

14.09.2013, 09:47

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Anyway, I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, just some pores. But can't help to notice it looks quite odd. I've compared it to my own skins pores and it looks quite different. The closest thing it looks like to me are cut-off hairs (like in that picture: http://s11.postimg.org/4n3eh19mr/picture.jpg )




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cal

14.09.2013, 12:19

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India.

I'm not saying that Dr. Nigam did this but it would be very easy to do.




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blackjak

14.09.2013, 17:55

@ drnigam

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

I have been reading the posts about Dr. Nigam on and off since the beginning of this year. Can someone tell me what happened to the test subjects who received treatment earlier this year? Failed,no follow-up or not convincing?

in addition, What is this "3D" treatment that Dr. Nigam is offering? Is there a link?




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Freddie555

14.09.2013, 20:15

@ cal

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

As I said, do not muddy up the definition with BS. The only thing that does is open up the door to a load of charlatans who will claim to have the cure while showing half-assed results with fancy picture taking techniques.

The only definition of NW2 is a real NW2 hair count of approximately 75000 hairs or thereabouts.

Anything less and its NOT a NW6 to NW2 transition.

It is pure con-artistry to claim a NW2 transition and then produce an individual with a low density hair coverage and a comb over. That s.cam has been going on for years in the hair transplant industry with deceptive photo taking techniques to boot.

So stop saying 10k hair will look fine and other nonsense. A cure has to demonstrate re-generation or follicular neogenesis in which case producing a real NW2 hair density should not be a problem.

Again, please do not muddy up the criteria by which we may declare a cure. I'm not looking to get into some rambling discussion with anyone on this subject as I will not compromise on this definition.




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cal

14.09.2013, 20:56

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

I recall even the mighty Follica once mentioning that their regenerated hair was only about 80% of original density. Aderans never produced much regrowth at all. You may go to your grave waiting on somebody to give you 75,000 hairs back.

But I think the point you are getting at is less radical. Giving a patient the equivalent of 5000 or 6000 HT grafts is not a "full restoration." It is no better than a good result with existing HT tech. Whatever new treatment/transplant option comes next, it needs to produce something significantly better than this (like double it) before we are going to view it as a real step forward. Getting another 25% over existing HTs would be progress but it would not be a game-changer by any stretch.




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helpmeout

14.09.2013, 20:58

@ drnigam

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Dr. Nigam, what is the reason for doing the blood test? What do you need to find from the blood work before starting the treatment?




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ipod

15.09.2013, 02:22

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Originally Posted by Freddie555


The only definition of NW2 is a real NW2 hair count of approximately 75000 hairs or thereabouts.

Anything less and its NOT a NW6 to NW2 transition.



Freddy there is no such thing as a real or a pseudo NW2. NW2 is NW2, and it is going to look like the picture here, some may have more density than other so it is unrealistic to hold Nigam to your so called scientific hair count for NW2.

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jarjarbinx

15.09.2013, 03:37

@ cal

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

myself2 is not suggesting that Dr. Nigam simply cut some guy's hair to make the guy look bald. He's suggesting that Dr. Nigam plucked out the guy's hair to make the guy look bald...plucked out thousands of some guy's hairs to make the guy look bald. Maybe 10's of thousands.

can I point out that the only pictures of the guy where you see the bumps is the enlarged picture so perhaps that's what pictures of all of our heads would look like if we enlarged the pictures with high resolution.


Originally Posted by cal

Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India.

I'm not saying that Dr. Nigam did this but it would be very easy to do.





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tuvok

15.09.2013, 03:47

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Originally Posted by Freddie555



Again, please do not muddy up the criteria by which we may declare a cure. I'm not looking to get into some rambling discussion with anyone on this subject as I will not compromise on this definition.


75000 hairs means a density of 300 hairs for cm2 on bald area, this is insane, basically you asking to transform a bank manager in a cat and if you don't realize that you are insane too




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Freddie555

15.09.2013, 07:07

@ tuvok

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

As I said, do not muddy up the definition of a CURE with nonsense.

It was I who originally came up with the definition of a cure - namely verifiable proof of transforming a NW6 into NW2. Anyone claiming a CURE has to live up to the claim and the bar is set high for a REASON - namely to weed out charlatans and fancy photography and to obtain iron clad proof.

I don't give a toss whether 10k hairs look good or bad. That is not the point and that is not NW2.

Trying to inject BS definitions of NW2 will not work on me. Those of you trying to do this are wasting your time.

Once gain, a NW2 is a person who has roughly 75K follicles on his head.

Its great that Dr. Nigam has taken up the challenge of transforming this NW6 into a NW2. In no uncertain terms, its a very bold claim of a Cure. I will patiently await the results.




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AleMB81

15.09.2013, 08:43

@ Freddie555

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Freddie i'm sorry to tell u that your scientific definition of nw2 is not 100% correct. The scientific world says that in general who has black hair has 100,000 hairs, the brown ones has 120,000 hairs and the blonde ones something like 150,000.

Moreover you seem to use the word follicle with the meaning of hair while a uf can produce up to 3 hairs.

So in my previous post i was talking about 15/20,000 uf which means up to 40,000 hairs. U really think that all the nw2 has the same density? Have u ever watched normal people? The density even in not balding people is never the same




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cal

15.09.2013, 09:17

@ AleMB81

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Accurately counting 75,000 hairs on a person's head would be an impressive in itself.




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drnigam

15.09.2013, 15:00

@ myself2

NW6/7 transformation to nw1/2 challenge test @Dr.Nigam

Friends/critics

Since arashi,and one more member have raised little doubt about this patient Mr J,whose pics i had posted on this thread.

I would like to start the proceudre ,on the patient,where there is no doubt about his before pics...

Hence posting few more patients photos..who will start treatment this week.

Once we agree on the first patient,who is selected to undergo transformatin..i will start the case..

I will shoot better pics..once i have the confirmation of the cases..we would like to see getting transformed..

The case below is a 60 year old man(Thane),whose son is being treated with HM at my clinic.


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More images of Thane below:
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane1.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane2.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane3.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane4.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane5.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Thane/thane6.JPG


This is another patient(din), who is 30 years old,


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More images of Din below:
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din1.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din2.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din3.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din4.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din5.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din6.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din7.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/din/din8.JPG

The 28 years old patient(Wq) below, has already undergone first session of ht plus injection of stemcells
(i have posted his before pics plus and after pics of 5 months with approx.1500 grafts plus first session of hm injections,
the before pics are of jan 2013 and after pics are of june 2013,
he is coming to clinic tmr,i will take fresh photos).


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More images of WQ before:
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before1.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before2.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before3.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before4.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before5.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before6.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before7.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/Before/before8.jpg



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More images of WQ after:
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after1.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after2.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after3.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after4.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after5.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after6.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after7.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after8.JPG
http://www.drnigams.net/images/Wq/After/after9.JPG

This is another patient,on whom i am doing procedure, within next 15 days..

He is a 29 years old(Mr.Sand) and getting marrried in feb 2014
We have already done his first sesion one and a half month back.
posting his before pics and 45 days after pics.


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Once we select one/two cases from the above,i will take better pics

will post, more patient pics, in next few days, so that we can choose 5 cases from atleast 10 patients...

while considering nw status,
also consider the size of the recipient and the size and density of the donor...some may not be clear nw5/6/7, but may have few hair on top of the scalp, but poor donor.Some may be nw7 but with goood donor availability.

Yes freddie,i wish to do 20000 grafts(doubling plus HM)..so that i can come closure to your criteia..

I want to select 5 patients for the challenge test..because.. with megasessions you never know,some people may not complete the whole procedure,as most of them, love to do non invasive HM procedure rather than doubling, here.. in mumbai.


so then are you suggesting that Dr. Nigam's staff plucked the hairs out of the guy's head so that it would like he's a NW6 but that the guy is really a NW 2 or 3 if his hair hadn't been plucked out? Is this what you're saying? Doesn't that really sound kind of crazy?
Originally Posted by jarjarbinx


Originally Posted by myself2

It does sound really crazy. Totally agreed. But if somebody expects to make multi millions out of it ? Does it still sound that crazy ?




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JJJ Jr. S

15.09.2013, 21:58

@ drnigam

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I think Thane would be a very suitable candidate. There is no doubt that he is a NW7 and has very poor donor density. Traditional hair transplant procedures would offer him very little and would be instantly noticeable.

I believe the best way to go about this is to restore him to the greatest extent possible in the fastest time. Thane is at the most advanced stage of a hairloss and will be a very difficult case to treat so I'm eager to see what you can do with him.




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helpmeout

15.09.2013, 22:37

@ JJJ Jr. S

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I agree Thane is the best guy for this, he is as slick bald as it can get.

Dr. Nigam, can you post all the different methods that you plan to use on the patient?




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Mr. Z

15.09.2013, 23:24

@ cal

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Originally Posted by cal

I recall even the mighty Follica once mentioning that their regenerated hair was only about 80% of original density. Aderans never produced much regrowth at all. You may go to your grave waiting on somebody to give you 75,000 hairs back.

But I think the point you are getting at is less radical. Giving a patient the equivalent of 5000 or 6000 HT grafts is not a "full restoration." It is no better than a good result with existing HT tech. Whatever new treatment/transplant option comes next, it needs to produce something significantly better than this (like double it) before we are going to view it as a real step forward. Getting another 25% over existing HTs would be progress but it would not be a game-changer by any stretch.


I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category.

At this point, after watching the demise of so many promising treatments, i would be thrilled to see that level of grafts made available. Even better if it can be done without hacking up the donor.




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jarjarbinx

16.09.2013, 00:18

@ cal

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Alright Cal I just got up close to my head in the mirror and I can see I have those little bumps too. Dr. Nigam is not at my house so he did not pluck my hairs out and neither did I. Nobody has. That is just what happens with some hairs for some reason - perhaps under the skin the follicle is still trying to grow so pushes up against the skin. I don't know. But I do know that we drive away people who want to help us with our mean-spirited insults.

Please go look at your own head up close in the mirror and you will probably see these bumps on your own head too.

Dr. Nigam you can do any of the 3 patients as far as I'm concerned. And I'm very sorry about the insults you have to put up with from some people. Please keep in mind that some of the posters here are skeptical because they have seen a lot of fake treatments by other people. I for one have great faith in your honesty.


Originally Posted by cal

Pay off one guy to wear a balding haircut for 6 months. It wouldn't take too much money to do it in the USA, never mind a place like India.

I'm not saying that Dr. Nigam did this but it would be very easy to do.





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cal

16.09.2013, 09:46

@ jarjarbinx

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I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category.

At this point, after watching the demise of so many promising treatments, i would be thrilled to see that level of grafts made available. Even better if it can be done without hacking up the donor.



It probably wouldn't take near 10k just to restore a NW#3-4.


Over the years I have come to think there is a phenomenon of diminishing returns at work on conventional HTs. The first couple thousand grafts go a long way but the later thousands have less and less of a cosmetic impact. I'm not talking about artistic decisions, but rather the coverage a patient gets for XXXX amount of grafts moved on their head.

You can find a few 10,000-graft HT patients out there right now. There are many in the 7000+ range. But the cosmetic gains don't seem to reflect the numbers, generally speaking. A patient with 7500-9000 grafts doesn't come out looking like they got 3x as much hair back as a good 2500-3000 graft patient.

The reasons are debatable. Graft survival decreasing as dense-packing goes up and/or more grafts per session, fewer and fewer several-hair grafts in the donor area to pick from . .. whatever. The bottom line is that we usually see diminishing returns from more grafts as the total transplanted graft figure goes up.


I speak of 5000 or 6000 grafts as if they are the maximum with current HT tech. You might be able to get a lot more grafts than these numbers transplanted, but the ultimate cosmetic improvement probably won't be more than double the coverage of a good 2500-3000 graft job.

That is why I talk about "10,000 grafts" being a huge step forward. Going to a clinic and paying to have 10,000 grafts done . . that is do-able. But ending up with 10,000 grafts worth of cosmetic improvement when the dust settles . . that doesn't happen. It would be a game-changer if the average HT patient could go to a good doc and get 3x the amount of hair restored as a good 3000 graft patient.




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drnigam

16.09.2013, 15:14
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@ cal

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Kindly find below pics of the patient Wq..28year old,software engineer.

We have done first session with him of approx.1500 grafts plus stemcell injection,not dp cultures,not growth factors.

He will have a procedure of 2500 doubling grafts on 23rd and 24th september..and another 2500 grafts on 28th and 29th september.

And than ,another 2500 plus 2500 grafts on day 45 and day 90.
He will receive his 2d/3d dp cultures with additional stemcell injection on 23rd september,day 45 and day 90.
He has partially responded to ,1st multiplied stemcells injection,taken 5 months back..at his donor and lower vertex...as per the patient himself,
patient , he feels his donor and lower vertex better than before...he did his first session 6 months back as on today.
Today he got his younger brother ,21 year old to enroll for HM treatment.

I WILL , BE WORKING ON HIS TRANSFORMATION TO nw1/2...AS ONE OF THE 5 CASES SELECTED for the challenge test..SINCE HE LIVES NEAR BY AND IS WILLING TO VISIT REGULARLY FOR PICS AND DOCUMENTATION.

I am also looking out for nw6/7 cases,who live near clini for the challenge test,Thane patient,i will contact tmr..who is a pure nw7.


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Originally Posted by cal

I agree with this. When we start seeing results that consistently provide patients with 10,000 plus grafts, then, i think, we'll have made a quantum leap in hairloss treatments; regradless of whether it's a full restoration or not. 10,000+ grafts would be amazing and would provide nearly a full restoration for anyone nw4 or less. The more extreme norwoods would still be thin, but it would certainly take them out of the ass bald category.

At this point, after watching the demise of so many promising treatments, i would be thrilled to see that level of grafts made available. Even better if it can be done without hacking up the donor.



It probably wouldn't take near 10k just to restore a NW#3-4.


Over the years I have come to think there is a phenomenon of diminishing returns at work on conventional HTs. The first couple thousand grafts go a long way but the later thousands have less and less of a cosmetic impact. I'm not talking about artistic decisions, but rather the coverage a patient gets for XXXX amount of grafts moved on their head.

You can find a few 10,000-graft HT patients out there right now. There are many in the 7000+ range. But the cosmetic gains don't seem to reflect the numbers, generally speaking. A patient with 7500-9000 grafts doesn't come out looking like they got 3x as much hair back as a good 2500-3000 graft patient.

The reasons are debatable. Graft survival decreasing as dense-packing goes up and/or more grafts per session, fewer and fewer several-hair grafts in the donor area to pick from . .. whatever. The bottom line is that we usually see diminishing returns from more grafts as the total transplanted graft figure goes up.


I speak of 5000 or 6000 grafts as if they are the maximum with current HT tech. You might be able to get a lot more grafts than these numbers transplanted, but the ultimate cosmetic improvement probably won't be more than double the coverage of a good 2500-3000 graft job.

That is why I talk about "10,000 grafts" being a huge step forward. Going to a clinic and paying to have 10,000 grafts done . . that is do-able. But ending up with 10,000 grafts worth of cosmetic improvement when the dust settles . . that doesn't happen. It would be a game-changer if the average HT patient could go to a good doc and get 3x the amount of hair restored as a good 3000 graft patient.




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Evo

16.09.2013, 15:48

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Dr Nigam - I appreciate your efforts, but everyone and their mother has been complaining about before/after photos - different hair length and different lighting render them essentially meaningless.




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drnigam

16.09.2013, 16:10

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Don't worry,further photos of this case will be with same lights as after photos taken today,
as we have new small setup mini studio to take photos with same lights and angles...the before pics of this patient were taken 6 months back..when we did not have a fixed place to shoot like our mini studio now.
This is just the beginning of this case..

Regards,same hair length..normally patients do not agree..



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gc83uk

17.09.2013, 21:36

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I would just like to add my 2 cents to this conversation. I have been emailing Dr Nigam on and off for a few weeks/months. His latest idea of restoring a nw6 should be his most credible to date.

I vote THANE

Dr Nigam, please do everything you can to encourage Thane as your main test subject. This is the perfect case in my opinion.

It will be irrefutable.

Good luck.




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myself2

18.09.2013, 22:02

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Originally Posted by gc83uk

I would just like to add my 2 cents to this conversation. I have been emailing Dr Nigam on and off for a few weeks/months. His latest idea of restoring a nw6 should be his most credible to date.

I vote THANE

Dr Nigam, please do everything you can to encourage Thane as your main test subject. This is the perfect case in my opinion.

It will be irrefutable.

Good luck.


Totally agree with Gaz and JJJJRS here. Forget about all other patients. Focus on Thane. No need to cherrypick grafts, everything should regrow so you can use all grafts in donor. Do 4000 grafts de-novo (so 8.000 in recipient) and after a few months repeat. Patient would get 16.000 grafts, enough for a nice full head of hair. It's all we need to see. If this works, I'm sure most people will be on that plane to India.

Arashi.




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RickH

19.09.2013, 00:47

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I agree that Thane is the best candidate for proving the effectiveness of what you're doing. It is simply impossible for him to get a significant amount of hair using conventional techniques. If he ends up with hair, you have proven your claims.




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hairdar

19.09.2013, 04:43

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Dr Nigam, I'd love to see the same test case on a Caucasian patient with dark hair for better contrast between skin and hair. Thanks




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Noyznarcos

19.09.2013, 13:12

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I also agree, Thane is the best candidate.




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Norwood3

19.09.2013, 17:08

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Thane for sure !




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myself2

19.09.2013, 20:23

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Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ?




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Freddie555

20.09.2013, 03:53

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I vote Thane too and I hope to see him as a true NW2.

Again, the definition of NW2 is a person with roughly 75k hairs on his head. All the attempts to water down the definition in this thread have failed.

This definition of NW2 is like the US Constitution. Abraham Lincoln said whatever you do, do not alter or mess with the Constitution. It is a sacred document just like the definition above. Everyone is trying to corrupt it, bend it, change it to suit various agendas... but it stands.

If the end result is some sparse coverage with a combover, it will prove nothing. Many hair transplants have already achieved that and it all looks like crap in real life. It has got to be the real thing or its NOT NW2.

Nobody in the world has ever transformed a NW6 into a NW2. So either I'm about to witness a monumental event or I'm about to be let down.




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Aran Linvail

20.09.2013, 05:17

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I don't care about getting a NW2, what I hope to see is a result that grows cosmetically significant hair that could not have been done by an HT.




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drnigam

20.09.2013, 17:38

@ myself2

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I am at Delhi for next two days,will revert with details on monday.
The first step would be to extract 50 grafts for the stemcells isolation ,multiplication,isolation of dp cells and its culture....
after we get good number of these cells(in 20/25 days)..we will subsequently, start the doubling procedure.

Originally Posted by myself2

Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ?




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hairman2

20.09.2013, 17:46

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When will your employee with the 16 graft patch test provide us with some follow up pictures? The last assessment took place I think roughly at the 3 month mark. We should examine the follow up images

I am at Delhi for next two days,will revert with details on monday.
The first step would be to extract 50 grafts for the stemcells isolation ,multiplication,isolation of dp cells and its culture....
after we get good number of these cells(in 20/25 days)..we will subsequently, start the doubling procedure.

Originally Posted by myself2

Everybody agrees that Thane is your patient, Dr Nigams. When can you start to operate on him and how many grafts do you plan to give hem in the first treatment ?

Originally Posted by drnigam





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