jarjarbinx 28.04.2015, 01:14 |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment) |
Listen I do not know if this is going to work or not. But I do think that every last person at this site knows that if I see that it does not work that is the way I will call it. Follicept is tracking the experiment in a thread at their own site. Here is the link to the thread: |
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roger_that MARYLAND, 28.04.2015, 01:59 @ jarjarbinx |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
Thanks. Looks like a good group of people there, and I applaud their openness and transparency in doing these experiments in full view of the public. Most companies wouldn't do that, because if they had a sh*tty product, they'd want to hide that fact for as long as possible (like many companies we've seen), but these folks are obviously different. |
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James Bond 30.04.2015, 10:44 @ jarjarbinx |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
Over-the-top hype, promises, and claims, yet no actual human research has been done yet. The University of Florida has been name-dropped, but it looks more like an undergrad student built a website based on the only research paper he ever bothered to read. From there, he extrapolated the mice results as a human cure and began promising everyone they were on the verge of getting their hair back. |
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needhairasap 30.04.2015, 12:52 @ James Bond |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() Over-the-top hype, promises, and claims, yet no actual human research has been done yet. The University of Florida has been name-dropped, but it looks more like an undergrad student built a website based on the only research paper he ever bothered to read. From there, he extrapolated the mice results as a human cure and began promising everyone they were on the verge of getting their hair back. This is the worst sham ever. Please don't give this clown any of your money. I am not super confident this will work, but I think that is a massive mischaracterisation. They won an MIT startup competition. They are presenting at different events. I'm not saying these things mean that it will work, but that (1) there is more than one person involved and (2) it is more than an undergrad. I think they were just unaware of how incredibly massive the pent-up demand is for a hair loss cure... I wouldn't be surpsied if igf1 fails but they keep testing/search just because they were so suprised at the level of demand. needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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James Bond 01.05.2015, 02:54 (edited by James Bond, 01.05.2015, 03:16) @ needhairasap |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
It's more of an understatement than an overstatement. These clowns haven't done any meaningful experiments yet, and they are already touting their treatment as being superior to minoxidil and finasteride. If only it were that easy! |
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needhairasap 01.05.2015, 02:56 @ James Bond |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
come to stop aga |
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roger_that MARYLAND, 01.05.2015, 16:47 @ James Bond |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() It's more of an understatement than an overstatement. These clowns haven't done any meaningful experiments yet, and they are already touting their treatment as being superior to minoxidil and finasteride. If only it were that easy! This is grossly irresponsible, and these tactics will (more likely than not) cause psychological harm to a lot of people who buy into the hype. True, James. As far as I can tell, their claims are purely speculative, based on no emprical evidence whatsoever. roger_that is located in MARYLAND and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. |
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jarjarbinx 01.05.2015, 18:13 (edited by jarjarbinx, 01.05.2015, 18:57) @ roger_that |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
I also think they're way jumping the gun with at least one statement they've made. And I've told them so in their thread at the Follicept website. At the top of the page the big bold type says, "SAFE. EFFECTIVE. AFFORDABELE." I take issue with them using the word "EFFECTIVE". They're jumping the gun here. They don't know this treatment will be effective yet. It may not be effective. There are multiple reasons the treatment might fail. For example: |
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Swooping 01.05.2015, 18:36 @ James Bond |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() It's more of an understatement than an overstatement. These clowns haven't done any meaningful experiments yet, and they are already touting their treatment as being superior to minoxidil and finasteride. If only it were that easy! This is grossly irresponsible, and these tactics will (more likely than not) cause psychological harm to a lot of people who buy into the hype. Boem, exactly. Most knowledgeable member here on the board. I expected no different than such a response from you. Thank you. Both from a rational & scientific level IGF-1 has no chance anyway. Better than minoxidil? Give me a break lol. It won't even come close to minoxidil. Swooping is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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jarjarbinx 01.05.2015, 18:48 @ Swooping |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() It's more of an understatement than an overstatement. These clowns haven't done any meaningful experiments yet, and they are already touting their treatment as being superior to minoxidil and finasteride. If only it were that easy! This is grossly irresponsible, and these tactics will (more likely than not) cause psychological harm to a lot of people who buy into the hype. ![]() Boem, exactly. Most knowledgeable member here on the board. I expected no different than such a response from you. Thank you. Both from a rational & scientific level IGF-1 has no chance anyway. Better than minoxidil? Give me a break lol. It won't even come close to minoxidil. You're probably right but there are credible scientists that say IGF-1 does play a role in hair loss/growth and should be tested as a treatment candidate for hair loss. These scientists are independent and their conclusions are in legitimate scientific journals. I can't ignore what those scientists are saying, although none of them are saying that IGF-1 will definitely treat hair loss, much less more effectively than minoxidil. jarjarbinx is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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Swooping 01.05.2015, 19:46 @ jarjarbinx |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
Weak argument jarjarbinx. If we extrapolate data from in vitro models & in-vivo rodent models to humans, yes we all would be sitting with the hair of Brad Pitt currently now. |
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needhairasap 02.05.2015, 02:33 @ Swooping |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() Weak argument jarjarbinx. If we extrapolate data from in vitro models & in-vivo rodent models to humans, yes we all would be sitting with the hair of Brad Pitt currently now. These results suggest that [INSERT COMPOUND HERE..] may be a novel approach for androgenetic alopecia. I know what you mean. Do you want me to name a minimum of 50 compounds which are suggested like this in papers? In reality they do completely nothing though. What's your point exactly? You do understand why IGF-1 derived from e.coli [1-10PPM] is allowed by the FDA & EU law right? That is because they have been reviewed already and those products are available for quite some time in cosmetic formulations. Ohw, wait perhaps it's their "magic vehicle"? Yeah SURE lol! Then there are 20 other arguments to make both from a scientific & logical standpoint why this won't work or minor beneficial at best. James_bond is right, watch out with these clowns. 1. I think most people are still cautious. It may seem this isn't the case, but that's because a disproportionate amount of the posters are the overly optimistic.... I think the majority of people are't posting and bring healthy skepticism... 2. Yes everything works on Mice. But, it does not logically follow that something that works on mice, therefore it will not work on humans. We can plainly see that in follicepts trial... minox grew hair on the mouse... and we know it can in humans. I love aruing about "what could be"... but I can admit it is pointless as their testing it now, and we'll know whats up in a couple more weeks. needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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Mr. Z 02.05.2015, 19:14 @ Swooping |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
![]() Weak argument jarjarbinx. If we extrapolate data from in vitro models & in-vivo rodent models to humans, yes we all would be sitting with the hair of Brad Pitt currently now. These results suggest that [INSERT COMPOUND HERE..] may be a novel approach for androgenetic alopecia. I know what you mean. Do you want me to name a minimum of 50 compounds which are suggested like this in papers? In reality they do completely nothing though. What's your point exactly? You do understand why IGF-1 derived from e.coli [1-10PPM] is allowed by the FDA & EU law right? That is because they have been reviewed already and those products are available for quite some time in cosmetic formulations. Ohw, wait perhaps it's their "magic vehicle"? Yeah SURE lol! Then there are 20 other arguments to make both from a scientific & logical standpoint why this won't work or minor beneficial at best. James_bond is right, watch out with these clowns. Follicept is a solution in search of a problem. They've got a somewhat novel delivery method that is sparking very little interest from the pharma industry. So, what can they do? Turn to the desperation of the balding community, of course. Run a half-azzed trial, using concentrations so low the FDA will turn a blind eye to them and generate results that are ambiguous at best. Trial feedback will be something to this effect: "wow, my shedding completely stopped", "my hair feels so much fuller", "i'm maintaining and no side effects!". Young desperate guys will come running with their wallets out and hopes up. This will give follicept a bit of revenue so they can continue to proposition pharma to adopt their technology for a real project. They're attempting this experiment with the blind hope of a child waiting for Santa to bring them their favorite toy. And, unfortunately, the way they're running this "trial" is so amateurish they've left no way to evaluate this treatment unless it grows massive amounts of hair. Without a comparison versus a proper control, they've no way to conclusively tell if their treatment is working at anything other than an eye popping way. Which, as we know, is nearly impossible to do. Nothing has come close to propecia and minoxidil. Does anyone honestly think they believe, even for one second, that using 0.0001% solution delivered across the dermis, is gonna generate effects large enough to see from a casual inspection, essentially defeating all known treatments we've seen to date? No, they don't believe that, Dr Hsu is smarter than that. What they're counting on is ambiguity in the results, because that's what they can exploit. I simply refuse to believe they're as naive as they're letting on. Ask yourself, why is this being conducted without a control, without a systematic way of applying the treatment, why no proper baseline photos with great lighting? It's because that would remove the ambiguity. If they really are this naive and they believe this is an honest effort to bring forward a new treatment, well then i have to laugh and wish them best of luck, because they have no clue what they're doing. Someone over at follicept page actually made reference to Devon as comparable to Jesus. No lie. Unbelievably sad and rather pathetic that some people get suckered in like that. Maybe this will be the elusive unicorn that saves everyone's hair. But, i wouldn't count on it. I think we can all see this train wreck coming from miles away... Mr. Z is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
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needhairasap 02.05.2015, 22:16 @ Mr. Z |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
LOL I know. thats why I hate forum trials... if I have to hear another "I think shedding stopped" "It may have maintined my hair" "I think there are new hairs by my hairline,but it could just be miniturizing hairs, I'm not sure" |
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Swooping 04.05.2015, 13:54 (edited by Swooping, 04.05.2015, 14:32) @ Mr. Z |
Follicept has just started a convenience experiment... |
Really well put Mr.Z. Jup, their technology does indeed spark little to no interest from the pharmaceutical industry. Not only that.. They horribly failed with their funding for their insulin patch on indiegogo. They put much effort into a 1 million campaign but only managed to get in like 12K. That is on their target audience. Everyone who stands with both feet on the ground knows how terrible this is. Devon knows this, as he was clearly upset when I pointed him on that. Also, they said on facebook that they want to use follicept to fund their insulin patch. |