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Office of Dr Umar

31.03.2011, 04:33
 

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou (Hair Transplant)

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The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

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This is a response to the Hairsite post made by Karim aka Apichu aka yamchou

(click here to see post).

As of today Dr Umar is yet to receive a signed consent form that will allow him to discuss all the details of Karim’s medical file.

A copy of the consent form can be seen if you click here.

Karim has not responded to repeated appeals to complete the form. If he has any complaints about the form, he has not declared them. With those limitations in mind, here is what happened.

Karim contacted Dr Umar some time ago about having hair transplants at our clinic. This patient wanted several thousand grafts transplanted because of his advanced norwood status, but because of his history, Dr Umar decided to do a test session first.

The first surgery, the test session, consisted of approximately 500 grafts. Karim was supposed to pay a discounted price per graft for the surgery. However, when he arrived at the clinic for surgery, he told Dr Umar he didn’t have the money to pay. Dr Umar was displeased, but had already set aside the time, so he went forward and transplanted the grafts. He transplanted head hairs, beard hairs and leg hairs. Afterwards, Karim would not comply with basic follow-up protocols that he signed off on prior to the surgery including multiple requests for follow-up photographs and feedback. He finally sent his first pictures at 2 months after Dr Umar raised the prospect of cancelling him as a patient. Karim was supposed to send his first set of photos at 2 weeks.


The 500 grafts that were transplanted grew and the transplant was a success. And Karim had NO complaints. How do we know?


1. Because he sent Dr Umar a video 8 months after surgery. This video speaks for itself. He expresses in it complete satisfaction with the procedure, indicating NO concerns of any sorts and pleads to return along with his friends for more surgery. Please watch the video below:
img/uploaded_files/1_file11.swf


2. Because Karim and his friends posted on a European website about the success of his result at 6 months. There they post variously as Samy, Apichu, and Karim77 on the same thread you can see when you visit the following link:

http://www.international-hairlossforum.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,2/func,view/id,18489/catid,42/lang,fr/

Here is an excerpt from the posts translated in English:
“6 Months after the OPE we are all satisfied with the outcome the bht 4 and the Fue have push.Karim 77”

CLICK HERE TO SEE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE FRENCH FORUM POST BY KARIM


As to the white dots on his leg, white dots are a risk of the procedure. That risk is made known to the patient well before any surgery takes place. One of his friends had prominent white dots in his donor area from prior FUE and BHT at another European clinic (see the photos in the aforementioned French forum post). White dots are more noticeable on people with darker colored skin, like Karim. However, in Dr Umar’s experience the white dots shrink and fade over time. The white dots shown in the photos on Karim’s misleading post are the exact same photos that were taken by Karim at less than 2 months after surgery in the early healing phase. We know this because these photos were e-mailed to Dr Umar by Karim at under 2 months post-op, they were not taken 12 months after surgery as he represents. At less than 2 months post-op the appearance of the donor extraction sites (depending on body location and patient physiology) could still be prominent, but it would not be representative of the final result.

We invite Karim to show the pictures of his leg in its current state. He can have the day’s newspaper by the photo for veracity.

At 6 months after surgery, Karim along wit his friends posted on the aforementioned French hair loss forum “We have also heal very well the BHT (face, beard, leg) samples.” This is the English language translation generated by the computer of the post Karim made in the French language. In the video Karim sent Dr Umar at 8 months post-op, you will notice that Karim never mentions white dots or any problems with his donor areas.

As to Karim’s beard, Dr Umar extracted beard hair grafts from his face to place on top of his head. His beard will be thinner because of the extractions. That was disclosed to Karim before surgery. Any suggestion that there is now a hole in Karim’s beard is false and ridiculous. Why doesn’t he shave his beard and show what the skin on his face looks like now? Again a current newspaper for dating purposes would be helpful Watch the video, it’s the best evidence.


When Karim came to the clinic in March of 2010, he brought three of his friends, who also had transplant surgery. All three of Karim’s friends had emailed Dr Umar they are satisfied with the results of their transplants and want to return for more work.


Finally, in all of the e-mails Dr Umar had exchanged with Karim over the last 6 months he has never complained about the quality of the transplants, about white dots or about his donor areas. On the contrary, he had expressed only satisfaction, requesting to come to the clinic for more transplant work. The problem is that Karim wants the work for free, which Dr Umar will not do. Karim was going to do promotion work for the clinic that would have provided discounted transplants to him, but when he showed up for the test session unable to pay, and subsequently manifested compliance problems with follow-up protocols, that plan was cancelled.


When Dr Umar told Karim he won’t do free work for him, his response consisted of threats to go to another doctor, that he would prevent his friends from coming to Dr Umar and that he would go onto the internet and publish negative comments about him. Dr Umar will not give into his threats.

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Atticus

31.03.2011, 06:40

@ Office of Dr Umar

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Great test results!!!!! However, why would this guy think he has a right to free work? What a freeloader. Let him take his gigantic head to another clinic. What is up with people who think they can get things free?

Atticus :-D




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Atticus

31.03.2011, 06:43

@ Atticus

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» Great test results!!!!! However, why would this guy think he has a right to
» free work? What a freeloader. Let him take his gigantic head to another
» clinic. What is up with people who think they can get things free?
»
» Atticus :-D

P.S. How come he has money to fly over from France, but no money to pay you?




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HMorHT

31.03.2011, 07:06

@ Office of Dr Umar

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Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and the hair multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.




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Sofarsogood

Los Angeles area,
31.03.2011, 15:24

@ Office of Dr Umar

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A hair grifter at best.
Blackmail at worst.

And Dr. Umar still did the work.
He's a better man than I.

Good grief, Charlie Brown.
There is a reality show here.



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Heliboy

Wilmington ,N.C,
31.03.2011, 15:37

@ HMorHT

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

I honestly find nothing entertaining about this at all. This is nothing more than a matter of total disrespect for Dr Umar . No M.D or anyone for that matter should have to deal with this. The fact is from what I can tell when he showed up at the office and couldnt/wouldnt pay for the procedure- Dr Umar should have declined the work- but out of respect for him the fact that he moved forward shows alot of character.

I can tell you from my own experience - Dr Umar shows alot of character to work with individuals that need assistance in which no other M.D IN THE WORLD
would touch. (Hence I'm gathering/assuming that is why this guy traveled around the world to have work done by Dr Umar). The fact is and anyone going into hair transplant work knows this especially in a really high Norwood case: ITS EXPENSIVE. You know this going into to it and for someone like to this seeming try to maniupulate free work is absurd!!!!!!!!! GROW UP!!

I had to take out a second mortgage on my house to finish my 20,000 + graft work with Dr Umar and I live life every single day now with no regrets . I'm ecstatic and NEVER think about hair loss anymore. But you have to be willing to do what it takes and understand the financial undertaking to get the job done to meet your expectations and not try to use the internet and defamation as a bargaining tool.

GROW UP MAN! I can assure you that there are many people that appreciate and respect Dr Umar's work/service/time and neither him nor his office should have to respond to this garbage! Get someone in France/Europe/Asia to fix your hair !! You are going to need in excess of 30,000 - 40,000 grafts to cover a Norwood 7 scalp = so I would suggest you either shave your head or start preparing to pay to have someone fix it! Rediculous

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Heliboy

Wilmington ,N.C,
31.03.2011, 15:50

@ Heliboy

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

And another thing- WHEN YOU TAKE HAIR FROM THE BEARD AREA - IT ISNT GOING TO GROW BACK in your beard area where extracted so why show a full grown beard in a picture where hair appears thinned out. WHAT'S THE SURPRISE HERE? . I've had thousands of beard hair taken and guess what- they grew on my head where they were supposed to. Unbelievable

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paulfromcanada

E-mail

31.03.2011, 16:12

@ Heliboy

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

Hi All,

I had 200 FUE grafts taken from chest hairs and 100 from nape here in Toronto 4 years ago. I am also left with some white colored round dots on my chest. It's the sacrifice you have to make.

At the end of January 2011 I was booked for a 5 day mega session with Dr. Umar in Redondo Beach. This was for 8000 grafts to be taken from nape, beard and body. I wanted a slightly lowered hairline and fill in right across the top of my head and crown. Dr. Umar suggested that beard hair would give me the density I wanted.

After my experience with scarring from my Toronto surgery, I was afraid to go with the beard extraction but was (thankfully) convinced by Dr. Umar that it would be worth it. So 2500 beard and 400 nape were placed in the areas I wanted over the course of 4 days.

It's now exactly 9 weeks since my sessions. My beard is thinner (less hairs) than before. Hello? Isn't that what you would expect? It's 2500 bristles less than it used to be. So I think Karim is being very unreasonable. Initially I had redness in the areas where beard hair was extracted. This redness has now become only very slightly pink and barely noticeable. I think over the next couple of months the pinkness will disappear entirely.

Karim mentions about money so I think I need to tell the rest of my story.

By Thursday morning, after suffering terribly from severe back pain during the sessions, it was mutually agreed upon that I would have to cancel the Friday session. I just couldn't go on. So on the Friday, I visited the clinic to pick up my meds and for a reimbursement check for the treatments I didn't have. I fully expected to receive a check for 25-40% less than what I had paid and was astounded when Dr. Umar handed me a check for the full amount of the Friday session. A refund for 1500 grafts. I wonder if other doctors do this?

Another instance. At the hotel I stayed, there was a young lady employee with severely thinning hair. I had told her why I was in Redondo Beach and she brought up that she had a similar problem with her hair. She asked me how much hair transplants were and when I told her she realized that she would not be able to go that route. So I mentioned her to Dr. Umar and he said for me to ask her to call his office for an appointment to see him. I said that there was no way she would be able to afford his treatments and Dr. Umar said that it wasn't always about money - it was about helping people and that he would treat her at no cost.

I didn't see this employee before I returned to Canada but luckily remembered her name (same as my daughter's). I called the hotel and was able to speak with her. She was overjoyed that Dr. Umar might be able to help her.

So I'm starting to think that Karim has made a big mistake. Here is one of a few doctors in the world that could help him with his severe baldness and he's acting like this.

Because my hairline has been lowered, it's much easier to see if there is any growth yet. Well I'm happy to report that I can see numerous small hairs growing. I just have to be patient now.

Until the grafts fell out, I was able to witness 1000's of beautifully placed hairs on my scalp. Once they grow back, I'll be in good shape. This is a gift to myself. Although I've had lots of procedures, the result was still a large sparse area from the hairline to the top of my head. Any light from overhead would cause me concern because it was almost as if the hairs vanished under a pot light.

In 8 - 10 months I will be re-visiting Dr. Umar's clinic to have my 'after' shots/video taken. I will be sharing this with you.

Paul




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paulfromcanada

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31.03.2011, 16:16

@ paulfromcanada

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Hi,

Just noticed a typo.

So 2500 beard and 400 nape were placed in ....

This of course should read 4000.

I had 6500 grafts in total.

Paul




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HairSite

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31.03.2011, 16:40

@ HMorHT

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» Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and the hair
» multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.

Nothing entertaining about this at all. It is a very unethical thing to do to purposely damage a doctor's reputation. Apichu's post had the following posters immediately concluded that Dr. Umar should be condemned for the fake story.

People wasted no time to perpetuate this as a factual incidence of bad hair transplant work. It is impossible to undo the damages of this nature on the internet.

With the exception of Topcatt, not a single poster below cares to know why Apichu refuses to let his doctor speak. People are brainwashed the moment they read a sensational story about bad hair transplant work. There is no turning back.


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ejj

31.03.2011, 18:02

@ paulfromcanada

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

Hairsite ,

I cant remember my comments that I made earlier re this thread ,and cant view them as the thread was removed , however I believe my concern was with the circular scarring from removal of grafts from the patients leg .

The poster claimed this as a result , and only now with more information is the picture completly clear . I would of liked to see how the extraction sites heal over a 12 month period but i doubt the patient will provide us with any results which is a shame ! I apologise for my earlier comments as they were made without knowing all the facts and will take this on board for future purposes !!

regards
ejj




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Sofarsogood

Los Angeles area,
31.03.2011, 18:31

@ ejj

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

Hi ejj,

I have pictures from the 1033 leg hair graft extraction sites from my procedure over time.
At four months or so, I had no sign of extraction. Perhaps I'm a good healer.
Here in Cali, we wear shorts year round. Today is no exception. Not a trace of extractions on me.
I'm at work now but am more than willing to share these pics with with you or anyone else that is interested.

Kudos to Hairsite for calling out the folks who circled like vultures around this story before all the facts were presented.

There are a lot of haters on these forums hoping to garner favors from their clinic of choice by attempting to harm competing clinics through spreading rumors, engaging in innuendo and just plain smearing without facts. Most of these folks aren't available to meet and post from undisclosed locations. A few have never even had an HT at all after thousands of posts over years.

These events will forever be used to expose these characters.

I may be a cheerleader for my current doc, but I have skin in this game (multiple procedures, 3 docs since 1992). And I will never attempt to harm anyone's practice or reputation for personal gain or because of a vendetta or agenda.

Happy growing.



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BHT was used to "soften" my former HT hairline that was made up of larger grafts.
At the ISHRS 2007convention, 12 docs from 10 countries, many techs and one famous forum moderator
acknowledged the BHT growth. Click the link for more about my case.
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood
Video of my BHT result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNEZb42ZrYs&feature=channel_page

ejj

31.03.2011, 19:16

@ HairSite

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

sfsg

Thanks would appreciate your pictures as in need of bht myself !

ejj




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marmaromenos

31.03.2011, 19:27

@ Sofarsogood

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Sofarsogood and Hairsite
Please tell me which man from the list above (i am in the list too)said sth bad about dr Umar.I think most of us were curious about the french case and did not like hairsite erased posts.I beleive Dr umars office explanation but i think it could have been better if it was posted 2-3 days before in French guy post.I think topcat has suffered a lot in his life and i can not understand why you sofarsogood are criticising him since i never saw a negative post for Dr Umar.
For people like me and topcat who had bad experiences with ht,pluggs and limited donor, doctors who use body hair like doctor Umar give us hope.
i can understand topcat who praise his doctor because he is trying to fix him.I would do the same and i am sure even you would do the same although your problem was not big compared topcats and you never felt the feeling of turning down from many doctors.

Thank you very much




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HairSite

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31.03.2011, 20:59

@ marmaromenos

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» Sofarsogood and Hairsite
» Please tell me which man from the list above (i am in the list too)said sth
» bad about dr Umar.I think most of us were curious about the french case and
» did not like hairsite erased posts.I beleive Dr umars office explanation
» but i think it could have been better if it was posted 2-3 days before in
» French guy post.I think topcat has suffered a lot in his life and i can not
» understand why you sofarsogood are criticising him since i never saw a
» negative post for Dr Umar.
» For people like me and topcat who had bad experiences with ht,pluggs and
» limited donor, doctors who use body hair like doctor Umar give us hope.
» i can understand topcat who praise his doctor because he is trying to fix
» him.I would do the same and i am sure even you would do the same although
» your problem was not big compared topcats and you never felt the feeling of
» turning down from many doctors.
»
» Thank you very much

The fact that you (and others) encouraged Apichu to continue with his allegations without giving his doctor the opportunity to reply was damaging enough already. The internet has a way of mixing facts with fiction. Even though Dr. Umar is now able to set the records straight for all of us (almost 10 days after the false allegations broke out), I am sure somewhere on the internet there are people perpetuating the lie that Dr. Umar butchered Apichu. These are damages that cannot be undone.

I had stated very clearly at the outset that we are working through the protocol to get the consent form finalized. Nobody cared because it is not their name and reputation on the line.




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01.04.2011, 01:03

@ Office of Dr Umar

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why did he keep saying "give me 1 last chance", last chance to do what? to have another surgery with Umar? i don't get it.




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Xairyhay1

01.04.2011, 04:44

@ HairSite

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Posting their names like that is VERY unprofessional.

This site exists because people post here. They were wrong, but attempted public humiliation by admin is TOTALLY uncool!

I EXPECT this post to never see the light of day... who cares what the silent majority thinks?




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Atticus

01.04.2011, 05:07

@ Xairyhay1

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» Posting their names like that is VERY unprofessional.
»
» This site exists because people post here. They were wrong, but attempted
» public humiliation by admin is TOTALLY uncool!
»
» I EXPECT this post to never see the light of day... who cares what the
» silent majority thinks?

Oh, poor blackmailers/hair grifters. Has it occured to you that those are not their real names? Incredible!

Atticus




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Iron_Man

01.04.2011, 05:45

@ Heliboy

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» I had to take out a second mortgage on my house to finish my 20,000 + graft
» work ...

I already can read a headline in the ‘Financial Times’:

“The late-2000s financial crisis happened due to bald American men!”



.




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damraak

01.04.2011, 16:44

@ Office of Dr Umar

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All the drama aside, I must say this is pretty good for 500 grafts, all he needs is another 500 and he can look like the soccer player Zidan without breaking the bank. This could be a great strategy for norwood6 or norwood7

[image]




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Office of Dr Umar

01.04.2011, 17:39

@ Xairyhay1

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These are the same names used by the poster (s) themselves on the Internet and hairsite posts. Their names were edited out of the video

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for more videos visit our Video Gallery

» Posting their names like that is VERY unprofessional.
»
» This site exists because people post here. They were wrong, but attempted
» public humiliation by admin is TOTALLY uncool!
»
» I EXPECT this post to never see the light of day... who cares what the
» silent majority thinks?




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Heliboy

Wilmington ,N.C,
02.04.2011, 16:06

@ damraak

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damraak,
I think you are right in the fact this short/shaved 'cool' style would work well for this guy. When using majority BHT and Beard hair (not scalp) for a Norwood 6-7 a shorter style would be the most logical and I believe necessary cut to acheive the ' less is more' look of overall coverage. To cover a Norwood 7 he would need a minimum of 5000(not really enough) (because he must fill in the crown as well) and upwards of 10,000-20,000 grafts to cover the full area for even a minimum filling effect. So 500 grafts wouldnt go far in my opinion/experience in his case but again I agree with you that for someone with his skin tone the shaved look would work very well. The Hairline is really key- It is quite amazing when the hairline is defined even with a shaved/short cut - how it transforms the appearance.

One of the vast learning curves and lessons with BHT experience and beard hair for coverage is understanding what look/style you can achieve and what are the realistic expectations based on the BHT/Beard hair characteristics. Beard hair has in my opinion really changed the art/science of BHT. I personally feel it should be the first donor option for anyone that has low scalp donor supply. It is very dense and provides excellent coverage.

Other factors that play are the angle of the hair when transplanted to acheive a maximum effect of a single follicle which may contain 1-3 grafts.

BHT/Beard hair use has advanced a very long way in the past few years.

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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
02.04.2011, 18:27

@ HairSite

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» » Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and the
» hair
» » multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.
»
» Nothing entertaining about this at all. It is a very unethical thing to do
» to purposely damage a doctor's reputation. Apichu's post had the following
» posters immediately concluded that Dr. Umar should be condemned for the
» fake story.
»
» People wasted no time to perpetuate this as a factual incidence of bad hair
» transplant work. It is impossible to undo the damages of this nature on the
» internet.
»
» With the exception of Topcatt, not a single poster below cares to know why
» Apichu refuses to let his doctor speak. People are brainwashed the moment
» they read a sensational story about bad hair transplant work. There is no
» turning back.
»
»
» bugler
» rev
» quarterhead
» bananaman
» diamond6
» Jason007
» Stevie.Dee
» hairman2
» roger_that
» marmaromenos
» HanginInThere
» french
» johndoe88
» steves
» ejj
» quarterhead
» ed
» Fordham
» Topcatt

No Hairsite
I simply commented that you protect the doctor in all instances
not the patient

I have seen no instances where you allow patients to complain about docs

I have seen numerous instances where you say the patient refuses to sign a consent form

for one thing , how do we know this is true? Because you say it is true?

I have no agenda towards any doc. I do think some of the docs on the board are overzealous and will take money in a heartbeat from young 20 somethings, which is IMO and the opinion of many posters, extremely unprofessional and unethical.

I did not attack Dr Umar at all. I simply commented that Hairsite protects the drs first and foremost. This is who pays your bills, They are the SPONSORS of hair site

so to think that hairsite would allow people to complain about same docs, is a bit far fetched.
We all know how the game works, but most people hold their tongues, because they are afraid to be censored /banned




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Uk,
02.04.2011, 20:13

@ HanginInThere

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

» » » Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and the
» » hair
» » » multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.
» »
» » Nothing entertaining about this at all. It is a very unethical thing to
» do
» » to purposely damage a doctor's reputation. Apichu's post had the
» following
» » posters immediately concluded that Dr. Umar should be condemned for the
» » fake story.
» »
» » People wasted no time to perpetuate this as a factual incidence of bad
» hair
» » transplant work. It is impossible to undo the damages of this nature on
» the
» » internet.
» »
» » With the exception of Topcatt, not a single poster below cares to know
» why
» » Apichu refuses to let his doctor speak. People are brainwashed the
» moment
» » they read a sensational story about bad hair transplant work. There is
» no
» » turning back.
» »
» »
» » bugler
» » rev
» » quarterhead
» » bananaman
» » diamond6
» » Jason007
» » Stevie.Dee
» » hairman2
» » roger_that
» » marmaromenos
» » HanginInThere
» » french
» » johndoe88
» » steves
» » ejj
» » quarterhead
» » ed
» » Fordham
» » Topcatt
»
» No Hairsite
» I simply commented that you protect the doctor in all instances
» not the patient
»
» I have seen no instances where you allow patients to complain about docs
»
» I have seen numerous instances where you say the patient refuses to sign a
» consent form
»
» for one thing , how do we know this is true? Because you say it is true?
»
» I have no agenda towards any doc. I do think some of the docs on the board
» are overzealous and will take money in a heartbeat from young 20
» somethings, which is IMO and the opinion of many posters, extremely
» unprofessional and unethical.
»
» I did not attack Dr Umar at all. I simply commented that Hairsite protects
» the drs first and foremost. This is who pays your bills, They are the
» SPONSORS of hair site
»
» so to think that hairsite would allow people to complain about same docs,
» is a bit far fetched.
» We all know how the game works, but most people hold their tongues,
» because they are afraid to be censored /banned

Spot on Hangin!




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Sofarsogood

Los Angeles area,
03.04.2011, 02:41

@ HanginInThere

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

Hangin,

It seems to me that patients are "allowed" to tell their stories so long as the doctor is "allowed" to respond. What is the problem with this?

Yes, I suppose we are to take Hairsite's word whether or not the proper arrangements have been made.
If you feel Hairsite would lie, why be a member here?

If anonymous, supposed patients with fake screen names posting from undisclosed locations could run wild making any claim they want about a clinic and the clinic wasn't able to respond, there would be no checks and balances. How would one sift through stories like Karim and his hair grifters? These forums would just be filled with people and their agendas posting dubious stories at will.

I don't see the problem with both parties being able to state their cases.
This only seems fair to me.

What am I missing?



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Manila(UwishUrHere),
03.04.2011, 05:10

@ Sofarsogood

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

» Hangin,
»
» It seems to me that patients are "allowed" to tell their stories so long as
» the doctor is "allowed" to respond. What is the problem with this?
»
» Yes, I suppose we are to take Hairsite's word whether or not the proper
» arrangements have been made.
» If you feel Hairsite would lie, why be a member here?
»
» If anonymous, supposed patients with fake screen names posting from
» undisclosed locations could run wild making any claim they want about a
» clinic and the clinic wasn't able to respond, there would be no checks and
» balances. How would one sift through stories like Karim and his hair
» grifters? These forums would just be filled with people and their agendas
» posting dubious stories at will.
»
» I don't see the problem with both parties being able to state their cases.
» This only seems fair to me.
»
» What am I missing?

Lets take this example

this patient supposedly did not sign a consent form

the Dr , above, sure did respond, didnt he?

So then whats the point of the consent form? Seems the Dr replied and gave the details of the patients case, no problem, without a consent form




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Manila(UwishUrHere),
03.04.2011, 14:26

@ Office of Dr Umar

So did the patient finally sign the consent form?

 

Judging by the depth of information provided by Dr Umar in this post
I see no other conclusion than YES he did sign the consent form.

Otherwise , if he did not sign it, didnt the Dr provide confidential information regarding this case in this post? (assuming the consent form was not signed)

which is it? was the form signed or not?
If it was indeed signed, then you people should stop attacking the guys motives and his suspicious refusal to sign the form

if the form was NOT signed,
doesnt the above post By Dr Umar push the boundaries?

Just sayin




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The Corridor of Uncertainty,
03.04.2011, 17:48

@ HanginInThere

Interesting...

 

This is what I got from this case:

(1) If that is pure BHT/Beard (i.e. no head hair FUE) then Karim got a spectacular result.

(2) Some people need to stop saying that there is no white dot scarring risk with FUE/BHT - clearly the risk of this (if it is a concern for an individual) is very high.

(3) Karim was to get a discount for promoting Dr Umar. There is nothing wrong with that, providing it is declared, however, I have not seen anybody else declare it - does this mean that this is the first offer of discounting for promotion that Dr Umar has - or not ?

(4) The beard hair 'hole' is a nonsense - it is the price you pay for using beard hair ! It doesn't reflect badly on Dr Umar at all.

(5) I have been all in favour of patients having to sign consent forms when criticising doctors (although the one Dr Umar is asking for seems a tad onerous), however, Hangin' has a point - Dr Umar seems to have been perfectly capable of rebutting Karim's complaints WITHOUT a consent form ! So why do we need one ????????

(6) Karim, in my opinion, does not come out of this looking too good...




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Office of Dr Umar

03.04.2011, 22:53

@ HanginInThere

Hangin - Authorization

 

Hanging
Insightful question: We have the right to print whatever is in the post. However, as revealing as the posted information might be, the authorization would have enabled the release of yet more conclusive evidence of the deceit of this poster and the hypocrisy of some clinics and their minions on these forums. In the future, refusing to sign consent would not offer protection to blackmailers and extortionists.
 
We have not received the forms from Karim nor has he identified any aspect of the consent to which he objects. The question is why is he refusing to sign it?

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For more videos visit http://www.dermhairclinic.com


» Judging by the depth of information provided by Dr Umar in this post
» I see no other conclusion than YES he did sign the consent form.
»
» Otherwise , if he did not sign it, didnt the Dr provide confidential
» information regarding this case in this post? (assuming the consent form
» was not signed)
»
» which is it? was the form signed or not?
» If it was indeed signed, then you people should stop attacking the guys
» motives and his suspicious refusal to sign the form
»
» if the form was NOT signed,
» doesnt the above post By Dr Umar push the boundaries?
»
» Just sayin




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Office of Dr Umar

03.04.2011, 22:55

@ Skywalker

Skywalker – promotions policy

 

Skywalker:
In addition to the demand for free work, 2 other reasons Dr Umar gave to Karim (by email)for refusing to proceed with further work on him are:
 
1. Karim was not compliant with basic follow up requests
2. Karim was told by Dr Umar (again in writing), to always disclose the nature of his association with the clinic in any posts he makes to showcase his work as a promotion. In the french forum posts, Karim did no such thing.  This non disclosure introduces and element of deceit to the reporting that Dr Umar to which Dr Umar does not subscribe.
 
 
In the video, Karim is asking to be given one last chance to remedy the aforementioned problems. However, he also wanted the work for free or else.
 

Promotions:
Dr Umar has no one in any forums (currently or in the past) that has an agreement to promote Dr Umar’s work in exchange for money or discounted surgery or any form of compensation. All approaches in the past has been accompanied by Dr Umar’s insistence that a disclosure be made. And in all instances, no promotional work happened. The fact is Dr Umar’s work needs no promotion. Happy patients of his have come on to the forums on their own free will to showcase their work and experiences. To these patients Dr Umar owes a great deal of gratitude and appreciation. But that is all there is to it. We have provisions for discounts for rights granted to the clinic to use images of patients. These are the same results the clinic has posted on the forums over the years. But the patient is not expected to proactively promote his results/case in any way. Karim’s approach occured as far back as 2008. We have noticed certain trends in people seeking discounted grafts for promotions, for  which reason Dr Umar no longer entertains offers from potential patients to promote his work in the Internet. Dr Umar has used his discretion to help patients in need of repair that require financial assistance. He has a non-profit foundation registered to make this available to more individuals.

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» This is what I got from this case:
»
» (1) If that is pure BHT/Beard (i.e. no head hair FUE) then Karim got a
» spectacular result.
»
» (2) Some people need to stop saying that there is no white dot scarring
» risk with FUE/BHT - clearly the risk of this (if it is a concern for an
» individual) is very high.
»
» (3) Karim was to get a discount for promoting Dr Umar. There is nothing
» wrong with that, providing it is declared, however, I have not seen anybody
» else declare it - does this mean that this is the first offer of
» discounting for promotion that Dr Umar has - or not ?
»
» (4) The beard hair 'hole' is a nonsense - it is the price you pay for using
» beard hair ! It doesn't reflect badly on Dr Umar at all.
»
» (5) I have been all in favour of patients having to sign consent forms when
» criticising doctors (although the one Dr Umar is asking for seems a tad
» onerous), however, Hangin' has a point - Dr Umar seems to have been
» perfectly capable of rebutting Karim's complaints WITHOUT a consent form !
» So why do we need one ????????
»
» (6) Karim, in my opinion, does not come out of this looking too good...




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Office of Dr Umar

03.04.2011, 22:58

@ ipod

IPOD- "One last chance"

 

Good observation Ipod: In addition to the demand for free work, 2 other reasons Dr Umar gave to Karim (by email) for refusing to proceed with further work on him are:
 
1. Karim was not compliant with basic follow up requests
2. Karim was told by Dr Umar (again in writing), to always disclose the nature of his association with the clinic in any posts he makes to showcase his work as a promotion. In the french forum posts, Karim did no such thing.  This non disclosure introduces and element of deceit to the reporting that Dr Umar wanted to avoid.
 
 
In the video, Karim is asking to be given one last chance to remedy the aforementioned 2 problems. However, he still demanded to have the surgery for free or else... In his mind, the video is the carrot, and the recent attempts to harm Dr Umar;s reputation with misleading posts on the forums is the stick.
 
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» why did he keep saying "give me 1 last chance", last chance to do what?
» to have another surgery with Umar? i don't get it.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
04.04.2011, 01:14

@ Office of Dr Umar

IPOD- "One last chance"

 

"We have noticed certain trends in people seeking discounted grafts for promotions, for which reason Dr Umar no longer entertains offers from potential patients to promote his work in the Internet."
======================================================================

Thank you for the clarification, however, I have to say that doesn't tally with what Karim said in the video that you posted - and he was VERY clear in that video to you, he said he still wants to be your representative in France and he was apologising for the fact that he had not posted on the internet.

This was what he was going to get the discounted grafts for - I think we have seen from Karim that he sure as hell wasn't going to do it for free.




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Office of Dr Umar

04.04.2011, 02:58

@ Skywalker

IPOD- "One last chance"

 

"he was apologising for the fact that he had not posted on the Internet".


Not really: At the time of the video, he had already posted on the french forum 2 months earlier. The emails that would have been posted if there had been an authorization would make this patently clear.

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» "We have noticed certain trends in people seeking discounted grafts for
» promotions, for which reason Dr Umar no longer entertains offers from
» potential patients to promote his work in the Internet."
» ======================================================================
»
» Thank you for the clarification, however, I have to say that doesn't tally
» with what Karim said in the video that you posted - and he was VERY clear
» in that video to you, he said he still wants to be your representative in
» France and he was apologising for the fact that he had not posted on the
» internet.
»
» This was what he was going to get the discounted grafts for - I think we
» have seen from Karim that he sure as hell wasn't going to do it for free.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
04.04.2011, 16:25

@ Office of Dr Umar

IPOD- "One last chance"

 

Hmmm, that's a bit of a Clintonesque statement, it just creates obfuscation, he may have reported on his work 2 months previously but he was apologising to you for not reporting ENOUGH - again your words don't tally with the video of him that you posted.




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french

04.04.2011, 22:35

@ HanginInThere

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

» » » Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and the
» » hair
» » » multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.
» »
» » Nothing entertaining about this at all. It is a very unethical thing to
» do
» » to purposely damage a doctor's reputation. Apichu's post had the
» following
» » posters immediately concluded that Dr. Umar should be condemned for the
» » fake story.
» »
» » People wasted no time to perpetuate this as a factual incidence of bad
» hair
» » transplant work. It is impossible to undo the damages of this nature on
» the
» » internet.
» »
» » With the exception of Topcatt, not a single poster below cares to know
» why
» » Apichu refuses to let his doctor speak. People are brainwashed the
» moment
» » they read a sensational story about bad hair transplant work. There is
» no
» » turning back.
» »
» »
» » bugler
» » rev
» » quarterhead
» » bananaman
» » diamond6
» » Jason007
» » Stevie.Dee
» » hairman2
» » roger_that
» » marmaromenos
» » HanginInThere
» » french
» » johndoe88
» » steves
» » ejj
» » quarterhead
» » ed
» » Fordham
» » Topcatt
»
» No Hairsite
» I simply commented that you protect the doctor in all instances
» not the patient
»
» I have seen no instances where you allow patients to complain about docs
»
» I have seen numerous instances where you say the patient refuses to sign a
» consent form
»
» for one thing , how do we know this is true? Because you say it is true?
»
» I have no agenda towards any doc. I do think some of the docs on the board
» are overzealous and will take money in a heartbeat from young 20
» somethings, which is IMO and the opinion of many posters, extremely
» unprofessional and unethical.
»
» I did not attack Dr Umar at all. I simply commented that Hairsite protects
» the drs first and foremost. This is who pays your bills, They are the
» SPONSORS of hair site
»
» so to think that hairsite would allow people to complain about same docs,
» is a bit far fetched.
» We all know how the game works, but most people hold their tongues,
» because they are afraid to be censored /banned

HanginInThere,

I think the same thing as you and I wrote the same thing but my message was erased




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Manila(UwishUrHere),
05.04.2011, 02:20

@ french

The Facts About Karim Apichu, Yamchou

 

» » » » Who knew hair transplant can be so entertaining, between this and
» the
» » » hair
» » » » multiplication forum there s enough drama for a hit TV show.
» » »
» » » Nothing entertaining about this at all. It is a very unethical thing
» to
» » do
» » » to purposely damage a doctor's reputation. Apichu's post had the
» » following
» » » posters immediately concluded that Dr. Umar should be condemned for
» the
» » » fake story.
» » »
» » » People wasted no time to perpetuate this as a factual incidence of bad
» » hair
» » » transplant work. It is impossible to undo the damages of this nature
» on
» » the
» » » internet.
» » »
» » » With the exception of Topcatt, not a single poster below cares to know
» » why
» » » Apichu refuses to let his doctor speak. People are brainwashed the
» » moment
» » » they read a sensational story about bad hair transplant work. There is
» » no
» » » turning back.
» » »
» » »
» » » bugler
» » » rev
» » » quarterhead
» » » bananaman
» » » diamond6
» » » Jason007
» » » Stevie.Dee
» » » hairman2
» » » roger_that
» » » marmaromenos
» » » HanginInThere
» » » french
» » » johndoe88
» » » steves
» » » ejj
» » » quarterhead
» » » ed
» » » Fordham
» » » Topcatt
» »
» » No Hairsite
» » I simply commented that you protect the doctor in all instances
» » not the patient
» »
» » I have seen no instances where you allow patients to complain about docs
» »
» » I have seen numerous instances where you say the patient refuses to sign
» a
» » consent form
» »
» » for one thing , how do we know this is true? Because you say it is true?
» »
» » I have no agenda towards any doc. I do think some of the docs on the
» board
» » are overzealous and will take money in a heartbeat from young 20
» » somethings, which is IMO and the opinion of many posters, extremely
» » unprofessional and unethical.
» »
» » I did not attack Dr Umar at all. I simply commented that Hairsite
» protects
» » the drs first and foremost. This is who pays your bills, They are the
» » SPONSORS of hair site
» »
» » so to think that hairsite would allow people to complain about same
» docs,
» » is a bit far fetched.
» » We all know how the game works, but most people hold their tongues,
» » because they are afraid to be censored /banned
»
» HanginInThere,
»
» I think the same thing as you and I wrote the same thing but my message was
» erased

I do not think Hairsite is aware of the negative repercussions on the board atmosphere when they start censoring editing posts, erasings posts and threads, banning people

It causes the level of suspicion of board members to rise exponentially, and rumors start circulating

the board will police itself we are adults and there are enough educated board members here who are knowledgeable enough and bright enough to refute any unsubstantiated allegations, and if not the docs such as Umar seem quite capable of refuting any allegations.

I do think that Dr Umar has done a fine job in doing so in this instance
and he has definitely not come out of this situation wounded or had his reputation smeared. the facts came out and most people seem satisfied. This is how it should be

BANNing people DELETING threads, etc etc IMO is extremely unwise

that only pisses people off and makes the situation worse and makes them think that where there is smoke there must be fire, and that hairsite is protecting the docs at all costs




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05.04.2011, 08:11

@ Office of Dr Umar

Hangin - Authorization

 

I've seen Dr. Umar's work and I believe it's impressive.

What is not impressive is the office of the doctor wasting their time on a message board... it's like the President Obama going on a message board defending his policies....




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Stevie.Dee

05.04.2011, 10:33

@ vivace67

Hangin - Authorization

 

» I've seen Dr. Umar's work and I believe it's impressive.
»
» What is not impressive is the office of the doctor wasting their time on a
» message board... it's like the President Obama going on a message board
» defending his policies....

Hahaha i was named also? For what? Did i smear Dr Umar or what. Anyway thanks for including me in your stupid list, this will have only one effect on me, i wont go to Dr Umar because now i feel a negative vibe because i was included in a rant.

Ridiculous




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
05.04.2011, 17:34

@ Stevie.Dee

Hangin - Authorization

 

"What is not impressive is the office of the doctor wasting their time on a message board"
==================================================

vivace67, on the contrary, it makes perfect sense - you clearly don't know anything about the business.




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Atticus

05.04.2011, 19:24

@ Skywalker

Hangin - Authorization

 

» "What is not impressive is the office of the doctor wasting their time on a
» message board"
» ==================================================
»
» vivace67, on the contrary, it makes perfect sense - you clearly don't know
» anything about the business.

That seems rather stupid. So you would not want to go a top doc (if not the top doc) because you were included in some kind of list? Whatever, your loss.

Atticus




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Atticus

05.04.2011, 19:32

@ Office of Dr Umar

Hangin - Authorization

 

»
Well, this makes perfect sense to me. Several top docs have given their side of the stories on this forum, and other forums. Why is Dr. Umar any different? I just don't get Skywalker's argument here. It's a straw man argument. Gee, let's forget about the fact that these hair grifters/black mailer did what they did, and leave posts designed to leave doubt about Dr. Umar. Come on brother, we are not stupid. You don't have to been an MBA like me to figure out there is reason why these French guys don't want to sign the doc. give it up!

Atticus



Hanging
» Insightful question: We have the right to print whatever is in the post.
» However, as revealing as the posted information might be, the authorization
» would have enabled the release of yet more conclusive evidence of the
» deceit of this poster and the hypocrisy of some clinics and their minions
» on these forums. In the future, refusing to sign consent would not offer
» protection to blackmailers and extortionists.
»  
» We have not received the forms from Karim nor has he identified any aspect
» of the consent to which he objects. The question is why is he refusing to
» sign it?
»
» Office of Dr. Umar
» For more videos visit http://www.dermhairclinic.com
»
»
» » Judging by the depth of information provided by Dr Umar in this post
» » I see no other conclusion than YES he did sign the consent form.
» »
» » Otherwise , if he did not sign it, didnt the Dr provide confidential
» » information regarding this case in this post? (assuming the consent form
» » was not signed)
» »
» » which is it? was the form signed or not?
» » If it was indeed signed, then you people should stop attacking the guys
» » motives and his suspicious refusal to sign the form
» »
» » if the form was NOT signed,
» » doesnt the above post By Dr Umar push the boundaries?
» »
» » Just sayin




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
05.04.2011, 20:48

@ Atticus

Hangin - Authorization

 

"I just don't get Skywalker's argument here. It's a straw man argument."
========================================================================

Atticus, I don't think you want to hear it because I don't think you are objective, but nevertheless I am quite happy to explain it to you again.

Karim on the video is apologising because he hasn't done enough reporting on the French website - he still wants to be Dr Umar's representative and he wants to retain his discounted grafts for his main procedure.

Now, I see no problem with Dr Umar having a paid representative in France, it's perfectly reasonable, however, his clinic is saying that no discounted grafts were ever being offered to Karim or anybody else. The main issue Dr Umar's clinic claim to have with Karim's is him not declaring an interest when he posts - but that doesn't make any sense at all because Karim is talking on the video about promising to start reporting again and apologising profusely for having not done so - and Karim is not going to do all this reporting and representing work for free, I think we can all agree that Karim is not that altruistic.




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Office of Dr Umar

05.04.2011, 22:49

@ Skywalker

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Skywalker

You stated: "however, his clinic is saying that no discounted grafts were ever being offered to Karim or anybody else"

This statement is false. Perhaps because you have not read the opening post to this thread.


In our first post regarding Karim we clearly stated:
"Karim was going to do promotion work for the clinic that would have provided discounted transplants to him, but when he showed up for the test session unable to pay, and subsequently manifested compliance problems with follow-up protocols, that plan was cancelled"

That he was going to do promotional work was clearly stated in the opening post. In another part of the same post:

"Karim would not comply with basic follow-up protocols that he signed off on prior to the surgery including multiple requests for follow-up photographs and feedback. He finally sent his first pictures at 2 months after Dr Umar raised the prospect of cancelling him as a patient. Karim was supposed to send his first set of photos at 2 weeks"

Please read the entire post.


Next we stated that Karim interacted with our clinic beginning 2008. Because of subsequent observation of tendencies of individuals like Karim who started off requesting discounted grafts for promotions, we have stopped considering such. All previous approaches have come to naught, and we can say confidently that there is no one out there (presently or in the past) promoting our clinic in exchange for discounted grafts. Karim (because of his foreign language skills) would have been the first of its kind, but you can see how that ended. We discount surgeries for compassion or rights to use patient images. We appreciate patients giving feedback out of there own volition and happiness about their experiences. But we do not compensate for that.

We hope this clarifies any confusion.

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» "I just don't get Skywalker's argument here. It's a straw man argument."
» ========================================================================
»
» Atticus, I don't think you want to hear it because I don't think you are
» objective, but nevertheless I am quite happy to explain it to you again.
»
» Karim on the video is apologising because he hasn't done enough reporting
» on the French website - he still wants to be Dr Umar's representative and
» he wants to retain his discounted grafts for his main procedure.
»
» Now, I see no problem with Dr Umar having a paid representative in France,
» it's perfectly reasonable, however, his clinic is saying that no discounted
» grafts were ever being offered to Karim or anybody else. The main issue Dr
» Umar's clinic claim to have with Karim's is him not declaring an interest
» when he posts - but that doesn't make any sense at all because Karim is
» talking on the video about promising to start reporting again and
» apologising profusely for having not done so - and Karim is not going to do
» all this reporting and representing work for free, I think we can all agree
» that Karim is not that altruistic.




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Atticus

06.04.2011, 00:06

@ Office of Dr Umar

Hangin - Authorization

 

Ah, so you state I cannot be objective because you say so? It must be fact then! You do not decide or cannot read my thoughts, so you have no idea where I am coming from. That is a fact.

Here is what it boils down to son. The guy refused to pay!!!!!!! How much clearer can that be to you? Then he makes insinuations about having work done, OR ELSE! HE DID NOT PAY for the 500 grafts, why would anyone want to continue doing business with someone after that? Oh, but he promises to be a good boy in the future! We all know how promises, promises, promises, go.

You are clearly one sided on this. Maybe you should go to med school, then let guys not pay you! Would you do that? Hells no!

Enough said,

Atticus

»
»
» » "I just don't get Skywalker's argument here. It's a straw man argument."
» » ========================================================================
» »
» » Atticus, I don't think you want to hear it because I don't think you are
» » objective, but nevertheless I am quite happy to explain it to you again.» »
» » Karim on the video is apologising because he hasn't done enough
» reporting
» » on the French website - he still wants to be Dr Umar's representative
» and
» » he wants to retain his discounted grafts for his main procedure.
» »
» » Now, I see no problem with Dr Umar having a paid representative in
» France,
» » it's perfectly reasonable, however, his clinic is saying that no
» discounted
» » grafts were ever being offered to Karim or anybody else. The main issue
» Dr
» » Umar's clinic claim to have with Karim's is him not declaring an
» interest
» » when he posts - but that doesn't make any sense at all because Karim is
» » talking on the video about promising to start reporting again and
» » apologising profusely for having not done so - and Karim is not going to
» do
» » all this reporting and representing work for free, I think we can all
» agree
» » that Karim is not that altruistic.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
06.04.2011, 00:16

@ Office of Dr Umar

Hangin - Authorization

 

I did read your entire post before, it didn't say what you have just said - but you have clarified the position now - clearly you have changed your mind in offering discounted grafts for reporting results on websites, although personally I would say that even if you were, providing it is declared in a transparent manner then I don't see it as wrong.

Thanks for clearing it up - although you could have just said your recent statement to begin with :-)

I would just reiterate that I have nothing against your clinic - I am not a fan of BHT results to date but if Karim's new grafts are all BHT/Beard hair (I am still a bit unclear about that) then he got a brilliant result.

Atticus is living in his own world as usual ;-)




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vivace67

06.04.2011, 07:10

@ Atticus

Enough, guys...

 

All this proves is that Karim is someone that everyone show stay away from.

Furthermore, it shows that Umar should have done a better job of screening this guy well before it got to this point. Maybe he will be more cautious in the future.

Additionally, Umar's office has made things worse by lowering themselves when appearing on a message board to defend themselves against what i perceive as an opportunist.

Umar appears to do good work, but he's created a marketing and branding nightmare continuing this diatribe with online posters.




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Duck

06.04.2011, 12:33

@ vivace67

Enough, guys...

 

"Additionally, Umar's office has made things worse by lowering themselves when appearing on a message board to defend themselves against what i perceive as an opportunist." Disagree. There is allways 2 sides to every story and he must defend himself. I like hairsite's policy.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
06.04.2011, 18:32

@ Duck

Enough, guys...

 

"Furthermore, it shows that Umar should have done a better job of screening this guy well before it got to this point. Maybe he will be more cautious in the future."
==================================================================

I think that would be very hard to do, all sorts of people want HT's, but if Dr Umar is not going to use representatives then it doesn't give him a problem in the future anyway.

BTW, I should have noted that the result is a combination of head hair FUE, Beard hair & BHT, it's still a good result but I don't know what the percentages of each type that were used.




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stitchmeup

08.04.2011, 03:18

@ Skywalker

Enough, guys...

 

» BTW, I should have noted that the result is a combination of head hair FUE,
» Beard hair & BHT, it's still a good result but I don't know what the
» percentages of each type that were used.

ditto, and what kind of body hair? leg, chest or something else?




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moopookoo

10.04.2011, 15:11

@ stitchmeup

Still i dont understand...

 

..why the pix that show French guys with white dots from extraction sites have been removed....???

I do understand that Dr Umar warned them abt white dots prior to surgery, i also think Karim wanted grafts for free n tht cnt happen but tht still doesnt justify removal of pix, ....in fact i think nothing shd be removed, everything shd be transparent, kee comunity informed....good and bad results.........can we agree on this one?


can the pix be reposted...

moopookoo




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Sofarsogood

Los Angeles area,
10.04.2011, 17:22

@ moopookoo

Still i dont understand...

 

» ..why the pix that show French guys with white dots from extraction sites
» have been removed....???
»

Moopookoo,

Apparently, the patient was trying to falsely pass off his 2 month pictures as current.
He was invited to post current pics with a newspaper in the frame to insure the timing.

Wouldn't you think if he was unhappy with his donor area, he would have mentioned that in his "happy video" above? He seemed very excited about his result in all regards. As he should be.

FYI, I had grafts extracted from my legs with no sign of extraction after about three months.
You are welcome to view my pics.

Cheers.



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