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Spanish Dude

12.04.2011, 18:00
 

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

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Dr. Gho has published an article in the "Burns" Journal, regarding his HST method of "hair multiplication". The article was accepted on Sept-2010.

In this article, Dr. Gho shows before and after photos of a patient who underwent the HST technique.

These photos are supposed to prove that the donor area regenerates after extraction of 3858 grafts.

But when you look closely, you see that in the after photo:
-hairs grow in different direction.
-and the bandage fits against the head in a different angle.

[image]
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[image]




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Spanish Dude

25.07.2011, 22:45

@ needhairasap

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» lllllllllllol

yes, you must be the only one who find your jokes funny.


>>
so, in conclusion.... Spanish dude thinks that for the last ten years gho has been waiting til it looked like he had been researching a real procedure... finally that day he has waited ten years for is here and he has released the fake product... finally he is able to lie to burn victims faces for a year or two before a large amount of people are able to go for their 3rd or 4th round HST and then see its all a hoax... I'm sure thats reality... spanish dude is right.... me and spanish dude can't believe how short sighted Gho's massive hoax is. Gho really does look to be positioning himself (by becoming one of the most recognizable hair doctors in europe and soon the world). This will be good for when he runs off to some far away island with everyone's money in two years. This is definitely what is happening.
<<

No, you don't know what you are talking about. Its not like Gho was researching for 10 years, and now, bam, he has just released HST. I explained to you the historical sequence of events but you don't want to hear. Its your choice, but don't expect me to play your game.
You don't know anything about this subject but decided to register here to teach? me lessons?, it seems, and to play funny? jokes, and to talk BS about 9-11. Don't expect me to explain things to you. If you are interested, use the search function here on Hairsite.




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needhairasap

25.07.2011, 22:02

@ needhairasap

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

lllllllllllol




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needhairasap

25.07.2011, 21:57

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

And since the very beginning, he claimed that he was
» able to do cell-based HM, but was "not consistant enough to sell it".


wow it took him awhile to fine tune what is currently THE BEST PROCEDURE AVAILABLE.

geez thats a likely story right spanish dude? just what he wants us to think....... he was waiting 10 years to release a fake procedure so as to make it look as if he were "fine tuning" it all those years. This gho really is a mastermind huh spanish dude? LOL! also... 9-11 was an inside job.





» Its because these claims and promises that Gho became famous worldwide. Now
» tell me BS about Gho being "low profile" to avoid being copied. It is
» totally the opposite.





"low profile" - not sure who said this on the forum (if anybody) but it was a bad choice of words. He isn't keeping a low profile.. you're right spanish dude its actually quite the opposite. A more precise definition would be Gho is trying to franchise and make sure he gets the most out of his last 10 years research (and years of schooling and investment in his education etc. etc. etc.). He's looking for a return. He seems to have positioned himself as best he can to reap returns from his study... but wouldn't call that "low profile". I know that somebody wanting financial gain from work they did is unlikely but work with me SD



so, in conclusion.... Spanish dude thinks that for the last ten years gho has been waiting til it looked like he had been researching a real procedure... finally that day he has waited ten years for is here and he has released the fake product... finally he is able to lie to burn victims faces for a year or two before a large amount of people are able to go for their 3rd or 4th round HST and then see its all a hoax... I'm sure thats reality... spanish dude is right.... me and spanish dude can't believe how short sighted Gho's massive hoax is. Gho really does look to be positioning himself (by becoming one of the most recognizable hair doctors in europe and soon the world). This will be good for when he runs off to some far away island with everyone's money in two years. This is definitely what is happening.


also, 9-11 was an inside job... muslim extremists love americans




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Spanish Dude

25.07.2011, 21:21

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» » dr. Gho is famous just because of his promises of HM.
»
» Where?
» Can you 100% back up your claim, where we can see these promises straight
» from Gho's mouth. Thanks.

Not only promises, but also claims of being doing it right now, e.g. in Spencer interview. And since the very beginning, he claimed that he was able to do cell-based HM, but was "not consistant enough to sell it". This is more than a promise, it is a claim, but we haven't seen any clear evidence of this.

Its because these claims and promises that Gho became famous worldwide. Now tell me BS about Gho being "low profile" to avoid being copied. It is totally the opposite.




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Iron_Man

25.07.2011, 14:58

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» dr. Gho is famous just because of his promises of HM.

Where?
Can you 100% back up your claim, where we can see these promises straight from Gho's mouth. Thanks.




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Spanish Dude

25.07.2011, 14:01

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» Of course Gho wants to rip off burn victims. Because its easy money
» (cough).
»
» SDs whole arguments are based on nothing then assumptions

dr. Gho is famous just because of his promises of HM. Without these promises, dr. Gho would be nothing.

cheers! :waving:




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Stevie.Dee

25.07.2011, 08:56

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

Of course Gho wants to rip off burn victims. Because its easy money (cough).

SDs whole arguments are based on nothing then assumptions




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Iron_Man

25.07.2011, 08:21

@ needhairasap

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» "a thief always thinks someone is stealing from him"

Right, and Spanish Dud thinks that Gho has stolen his life, because Gho couldn't deliver earlier. Gho simply failed in 2003 - and reported about ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/hair-multiplication-278.htm

... but Spanish Dud couldn't read carefully and understand - actually until today.




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needhairasap

25.07.2011, 07:54

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» » » very simple, there are several years between the before and after
» photo.
» » »
» »
» »
» »
» » wow... i wonder where Gho's secret government lair is. the place where
» he
» » schemes up all these devious plots to take over the burn victim market
»
» why don't you simply read the foot of the image? The after photo is the
» donor area after 3 years (after 4 treatments).
»
» [image]



ya they harvested 6 times form the back of her head




anyway, so, you definitely deep down believe that Gho is going this far out of his way to take advantage of burn victims? literally thats what your assumption is? Gho just wants to lie to everyone and take advantage burn victims for some more mney.


you're basically calling Gho the biggest a$$hole ever...


"a thief always thinks someone is stealing from him"




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Spanish Dude

24.07.2011, 20:01

@ needhairasap

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» » very simple, there are several years between the before and after photo.
» »
»
»
»
» wow... i wonder where Gho's secret government lair is. the place where he
» schemes up all these devious plots to take over the burn victim market

why don't you simply read the foot of the image? The after photo is the donor area after 3 years (after 4 treatments).

[image]




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needhairasap

24.07.2011, 19:56

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» very simple, there are several years between the before and after photo.
»



wow... i wonder where Gho's secret government lair is. the place where he schemes up all these devious plots to take over the burn victim market




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Spanish Dude

24.07.2011, 18:09

@ needhairasap

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» plus....... how would he change the bandage on that guys head? if he
» shaved one area and moved the bandage up and shaved another area then you
» would see the first shaved area under the new shaved area.... for him to do
» this bandage moving conspiracy of yours..... that first shaved donor would
» have to regenerate.... LOL

very simple, there are several years between the before and after photo.

» did you ever think gho is being secretive because he has an idea (from his
» research over the last 12 years of his life) that is worth billions of
» dollars and honestly seems to be relatively easy to copy if you have the
» specifics.......


that is nonsense. Posting a "wow result" would not reveal his technique. Furthermore, in the JDT article he is publishing the details of the punch, and the ingredients of the storage solution, aren't these suppossed to be much more delicate pieces of information?




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needhairasap

24.07.2011, 17:53

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» Dr. Gho has published an article in the "Burns" Journal, regarding his HST
» method of "hair multiplication". The article was accepted on Sept-2010.
»
» In this article, Dr. Gho shows before and after photos of a patient who
» underwent the HST technique.
»
» These photos are supposed to prove that the donor area regenerates after
» extraction of 3858 grafts.
»
» But when you look closely, you see that in the after photo:
» -hairs grow in different direction.
» -and the bandage fits against the head in a different angle.
»
» [image]
» [image]
» [image]




spanish dude... do you honestly think gho is trying to create a world wide HST conspiracy? lol.... I wonder what his plan is to cover it up now that he has been all over TV lol....


maybe gho killed JFK?

maybe gho is the lockness monster?

maybe Gho was the one who put the explosive inside the world trade center..... it wasnt the planes right?

maybe aids is man made?


i dunno spanish dude what other conspiracy theories do you enjoy?>








plus....... how would he change the bandage on that guys head? if he shaved one area and moved the bandage up and shaved another area then you would see the first shaved area under the new shaved area.... for him to do this bandage moving conspiracy of yours..... that first shaved donor would have to regenerate.... LOL


did you ever think gho is being secretive because he has an idea (from his research over the last 12 years of his life) that is worth billions of dollars and honestly seems to be relatively easy to copy if you have the specifics.......




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16.04.2011, 06:06

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

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Freddie555

16.04.2011, 02:30

@ Spanish Dude

Why there are no WOW patient results?? Lets see Gho's strange answer.

 

The video gives an insight into Gho's research and why its so secretive :




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Iron_Man

16.04.2011, 02:17

@ Spanish Dude

Why there are no WOW patient results?? Lets see Gho's strange answer.

 

Strange.




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Spanish Dude

15.04.2011, 21:16
(edited by Spanish Dude, 15.04.2011, 22:02)

@ Spanish Dude

Why there are no WOW patient results?? Lets see Gho's strange answer.

 

One frequent question asked in the hairloss community is this:
If Gho can really multiply hair, why there are no WOW results amongst his patients? Why no astonishing transformations?
Why all Gho's patients look like regular FUE patients?

Forum member "Wolvie1985" from Canada, talked to Gho's clinic on the phone circa Sept2010.
Wolvie asked this precise question. Lets see what was the answer.
Lets see Wolvie's post at the forum :

Wolvie1985 (08-Sept-2010, 04:05 AM)

>>>>
I should say that I have spoken personally with three different doctors at HSI, and have spent a total of well over an hour on the phone with them (the long distance charges sucked!).
...
I asked HSI why they don't have photos on their site of NW6s transformed to NW1. They said the technique has only been around for a couple of years, you can only have approx 1500 grafts per procedure, and you have to wait at least 9 months between each one. So there hasn't been time for any drastic transformations yet. They admit their marketing sucks, but have said they really don't feel pressure to prove their naysayers wrong because they're booked through mid-2011 as it is. Clearly they're doing something right.
<<<<

So, according to the doctors at Gho's clinic, the multiplying technique (HST) had been around for just a couple of years, right? The phone conversation was in Sept2010, so according to this, the HST technique would have been born around Sept 2008.

However, in spite of what the HSI doctors said, we can track dr. Gho, claiming "donor regeneration", with high percentages, back from 2005 and before:

1-In a July 2004 interview, Gho says, regarding FM (the old technique, horizontal bisection), that donor regeneration was 50-80%.

2-In Nov 2005, James Bond interviewed Gho about the new HST technique,that was already in use. According to Gho, donor regeneration was above 80% back then.

3-In 2010 Gho said to the Reclame Code Commission, that he had treated 1200 patients (1934 procedures)from 2005 with the HST technique.

4-In 2010, In the Burns Journal, Gho says that the female patient on the before-after photo, had her first HST session in June 2005, 1097 grafts.

So, it seems that Wolvie1985 was not well informed in his phone call. Even though he talked for more than an hour, and talked to 3 different doctors at HSI. :)




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Spanish Dude

15.04.2011, 18:17

@ Bullet

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» Dear spanish dude: Yes. It's completely fake. Stay away from this
» procedure! (i bet it is going to be a huge cue within few months cos it is
» really HM)
»
» Pero que tonto eres macho

Oh, look, we have here a comrade from Spain who is insulting me in my own language, how nice.
And he has just registered today!! Wow, I guess we have to take his insults very seriously.

Yeah, I am very dumb, and you are very smart. But you have to prove it.

a ver, tío listo, por qué no nos explicas tu punto de vista, si es que tienes alguno?




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Bullet

15.04.2011, 17:15

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» Dr. Gho has published an article in the "Burns" Journal, regarding his HST
» method of "hair multiplication". The article was accepted on Sept-2010.
»
» In this article, Dr. Gho shows before and after photos of a patient who
» underwent the HST technique.
»
» These photos are supposed to prove that the donor area regenerates after
» extraction of 3858 grafts.
»
» But when you look closely, you see that in the after photo:
» -hairs grow in different direction.
» -and the bandage fits against the head in a different angle.


Dear spanish dude: Yes. It's completely fake. Stay away from this procedure! (i bet it is going to be a huge cue within few months cos it is really HM)

Pero que tonto eres macho




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Spanish Dude

15.04.2011, 14:01
(edited by Spanish Dude, 15.04.2011, 14:31)

@ Reddog

hypothesis

 

» So, whats the consensus? Doctored pics or different person in "after"
» pic?

My guess is that it is the same head, but shaved at different levels.
So, the total donor area (on the back) is not just 15x5cm, but 15x10cm. This is a female patient, burn victim, with no alopecia, and healthy donor available in all the back of the head (not just the lower part).

[image]
[image]

When you look closely, you see that in the After photo:
-the shaved hairs grow in different direction compared to the before photo.
-and the bandage fits differently against the head suggesting a different head profile. In the before photo you see a cilindrical profile, while in the after photo you see a conical profile.

IMO, the "before" photo shows the lower segment of the back of the head, while the "after" photo shows the upper portion of the back of the head.

If what I say is true, that is a clear manipulation. In order to prove donor regeneration, Before and After photo must show the same donor area, and the 3858 grafts should have been extracted from the showed area.




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bugler

15.04.2011, 08:49

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

I have taken a look at the before/after pics and it is quite possible that the areas are different. If you look at the band extremes the angle of the head is different. That with the hairs angles being different is certainly suspicious.

If Gho really wanted to prove donor regrowth the photos should be more convincing like using a temporal tattoo in the donoer area so we can see that it is indeed the same area in the before after pics. Or he could use some magnified pics where one really can identified certain points of the donor area.




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garyg

15.04.2011, 06:17

@ Reddog

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» So, whats the consensus? Doctored pics or different person in "after"
» pic?

Probably not, if Dr Gho was willing to go that far in order to fool the public, he would have posted plenty of doctored or fake before and after pictures already.




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Iron_Man

15.04.2011, 05:20

@ Reddog

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

» So, whats the consensus? Doctored pics or different person in "after"
» pic?

No. The consensus in this thread is that Spanish Dude is making laughable conspiracy theories, and is thinking that Dr. Gho & Dr. Neumann are idiots and are not aware about what Spanish Dude is claiming.

They took the photos from the same patient simply AS IS - nothing more, nothing less. Even in the FULL AWARENESS that they - of course - look different.




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Reddog

15.04.2011, 04:55

@ Spanish Dude

Is Dr. Gho using false photo evidence in a peer-reviewed journal?

 

So, whats the consensus? Doctored pics or different person in "after" pic?

» Dr. Gho has published an article in the "Burns" Journal, regarding his HST
» method of "hair multiplication". The article was accepted on Sept-2010.
»
» In this article, Dr. Gho shows before and after photos of a patient who
» underwent the HST technique.
»
» These photos are supposed to prove that the donor area regenerates after
» extraction of 3858 grafts.
»
» But when you look closely, you see that in the after photo:
» -hairs grow in different direction.
» -and the bandage fits against the head in a different angle.
»
» [image]
» [image]
» [image]



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Spanish Dude

14.04.2011, 21:38

@ Iron_Man

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

Wasn't Rassman the ISHRS chairman when Gho presented on 2009?
Is he inventing it?

» Concerning "were very well received by the ISHRS on 2008 ...":

No, you are quoting wrongly the RCC.
The RCC said:
>>>>
The HST method by Dr Gho was presented in a number of conferences, including the the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery (ISHRS) conference
in 2008 and 2009, cited by the complainant. The presentations were well received by his peers as evident from a review of the ISHRS congress of 2008.
<<<<<

The RCC says that both presentations were well received by Gho's peers. The 2008 and the 2009 presentations.


» No, Rassman was NOT "the chairman of the ISHRS 2009". They didn't even
» mention him in a peer-reviewed journal concerning "what really
» happened at ISHRS 2009 in Amsterdam".
»
» Anyway, there exists a "funny story" about what really happend there, and
» this has something to do with Dr. Ken Washenik, Dr. Rassman and Dr. Gho.
»
» Concerning "were very well received by the ISHRS on 2008 ...":
»
» What do you think why reports someone very interested about the most
» interesting presentations at the ISHRS?
»
» http://ushairrestoration.com/follicular-stemcell-transplantation.php
»
» Because he has nothing else to report?




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Iron_Man

14.04.2011, 21:02

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» » I would not believe everything that Dr. Rassman says, isn't Dr. Rassman
» » also the one who charged a lot of money to tattoo one of his patient's
» » head?
»
» Yeah, I wouldn't believe everything that Rassman says either, but the
» matter is that according to Gho and the dutch Advertising Commision, his
» presentations were very well received by the ISHRS on 2008 and 2009, BUT it
» happens that the very *chairman* of the ISHRS2009 said that Gho's
» presentation was pathetic.
»
» If the RCC wants to talk about the ISHRS presentations, they should have
» mentioned the oppinion of dr. Rassman, as he was the chairman of the
» ISHRS-2009. Pretty simple.

No, Rassman was NOT "the chairman of the ISHRS 2009". They didn't even mention him in a peer-reviewed journal concerning "what really happened at ISHRS 2009 in Amsterdam".

Anyway, there exists a "funny story" about what really happend there, and this has something to do with Dr. Ken Washenik, Dr. Rassman and Dr. Gho.

Concerning "were very well received by the ISHRS on 2008 ...":

What do you think why reports someone very interested about the most interesting presentations at the ISHRS?

http://ushairrestoration.com/follicular-stemcell-transplantation.php

Because he has nothing else to report?




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Spanish Dude

14.04.2011, 20:20

@ HMorHT

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» I would not believe everything that Dr. Rassman says, isn't Dr. Rassman
» also the one who charged a lot of money to tattoo one of his patient's
» head?

Yeah, I wouldn't believe everything that Rassman says either, but the matter is that according to Gho and the dutch Advertising Commision, his presentations were very well received by the ISHRS on 2008 and 2009, BUT it happens that the very *chairman* of the ISHRS2009 said that Gho's presentation was pathetic.

If the RCC wants to talk about the ISHRS presentations, they should have mentioned the oppinion of dr. Rassman, as he was the chairman of the ISHRS-2009. Pretty simple.




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Spanish Dude

14.04.2011, 20:10

@ Iron_Man

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

Let me explain it again to you because you seem to miss the important point even though it is terribly simple.

The RCC said, (suppossedly because Gho himself presented this argument for his defence): "Gho has presented his HM technique (HST) in the 2008 and 2009 ISHRS conferences, and these presentations were very well received by his peers".

Well, it happens that dr. Rassman is a *PEER* WHO WAS *CHAIRMAN* OF THE ISHRS ON 2009. and he said Gho presentation was PATHETIC.




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Iron_Man

14.04.2011, 19:22

@ Iron_Man

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» Btw - please, explain me the following, Spanish Dud:
»
» Why report Gho on his website - in full - about what happend (pro/contra
» plus outcome) ...
»
» http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/8a512a7f-88e8-41e0-b9ac-510e41c049b3Beslissing%20van%20de%20RCC%2023.03.11.pdf
»
» ... but none of the plaintiffs on their websites?
»
» [image]

Ok, the judge will answer this question for you ...
[image]




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HMorHT

14.04.2011, 19:20

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

I would not believe everything that Dr. Rassman says, isn't Dr. Rassman also the one who charged a lot of money to tattoo one of his patient's head?




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Iron_Man

14.04.2011, 18:48

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» » » Unfortunately, it seems that the Benelux doctors didn't know this
» » » information about dr. Rassman, and they didn't present it to the RCC.
» » » (thus, any association between the Benelux doctors and Dr. Rassman (as
» » » speculated by some Gho-fans)seems dubious to me).
» »
» » REALLY?
» »
» » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-82795.html#p82823
»
» yeah, really.

yeah, really - what? You still mean, they didn't know about Rassman's BS?

You mean, they do not know about what they publish on their own website?

Btw - please, explain me the following, Spanish Dud:

Why report Gho on his website - in full - about what happend (pro/contra plus outcome) ...

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/8a512a7f-88e8-41e0-b9ac-510e41c049b3Beslissing%20van%20de%20RCC%2023.03.11.pdf

... but none of the plaintiffs on their websites?

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Spanish Dude

14.04.2011, 18:25

@ Iron_Man

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» » Unfortunately, it seems that the Benelux doctors didn't know this
» » information about dr. Rassman, and they didn't present it to the RCC.
» » (thus, any association between the Benelux doctors and Dr. Rassman (as
» » speculated by some Gho-fans)seems dubious to me).
»
» REALLY?
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-82795.html#p82823

yeah, really.




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Iron_Man

14.04.2011, 18:21

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

» Unfortunately, it seems that the Benelux doctors didn't know this
» information about dr. Rassman, and they didn't present it to the RCC.
» (thus, any association between the Benelux doctors and Dr. Rassman (as
» speculated by some Gho-fans)seems dubious to me).

REALLY?

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-82795.html#p82823




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14.04.2011, 18:01

@ Spanish Dude

Rassman on Gho (ISHRS-2009): "his science was pathetic"

 

As you know, the dutch "Reclame Code Commissie" (Advertising Commission) rejected the complaint filed by several Benelux doctors against Gho.
It rejected the complaint twice. Once in August 2010, and the second time on March 2011.

One of the arguments of the RCC in August 2010 was this:

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Translation
>>>>
The HST method by Dr Gho was presented in a number of conferences, including the the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery (ISHRS) conference
in 2008 and 2009, cited by the complainant. The presentations were well received by his peers as evident from a review of the ISHRS congress of 2008.
<<<<<

However, the RCC didn't apparently know some interesting comments made by Dr. Rassman in 2009.

>>>
I just chaired the session at the annual (2009) ISHRS meeting in Amsterdam and had Dr. Coen Gho as one of the speakers. I had lost my voice, so I could not comment as the chair of that session, but considering that you asked me about him, I will use this as a forum to speak my opinion on what I heard.

Dr. Gho reported that he did 1500 patients with his “cloning” procedure. If I had to give a score to the material he presented using a 1-10 scale for scientific credibility, I’d score it a 1, with 1 being the lowest possible. His science was pathetic, with slides that were blurred and blackened out so that there was really nothing to see. He claimed that his FUE technique cut the follicular units in half longitudinally, and that the part that remained regrew hair, but there was no proof of this in any of the material he showed. <<<

Unfortunately, it seems that the Benelux doctors didn't know this information about dr. Rassman, and they didn't present it to the RCC.
(thus, any association between the Benelux doctors and Dr. Rassman (as speculated by some Gho-fans)seems dubious to me).




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14.04.2011, 08:52

@ Stevie.Dee

HT-Forum

 

» @matigol : We are not speaking about Acell

surely you wrote aubout it!


» PS : I know what you guys are up to, you both hate "surgical" procedures
» thats why you guys keep attacking those kind of things.

I`m not attacking it but I totally deny a surgical procedure for me.
Further more I don`t like cheap pics and I can`t imagine, that people like you can be so naive and trust every lousy pic.
I know that I have no biotech-knowledge, like everybody in this forum, but there are lots of users who think they have...:-D


» I bet my as* if one Graft at Gho would cost 1 dollar SpanishDude and
» matigol would praise Gho all around

never ever!!!

To me it seems that Leeroy, Iren and you are one person. You are all the same pesky Gho-promoters!
I think your wars with iren-men were only a show. You turned into the same obsessed Gho-supporter within one hour.
Hours before, your signature includes rants about Gho.




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Spanish Dude

13.04.2011, 17:55

@ Iron_Man

HT-Forum

 

for clarification, I meant:
-The Advertising Commission is cheaper than a real, full-fledged court.
-The Benelux doctors are incompetents. lol.

That is why I said "ITS" cheaper (the Commission) and "THEY" are incompetents (the plaintiffs).

and yes, Iron_Man, we all know how intelligent you are, ahem, that is why I need to explain everything to you twice.


» » » » 7. There was no trial, no court, no judge, and no proof.
» » Just
» » » an online
» » » » advertising commission that proved nothing. How
» » about
» » » that? Iron_Man,
» » » » roger_that, Stevie.Dee, Suddenly you don't talk about this anymore,
» » eh?
» » »
» » » So why did the plaintiffs (logically not Gho) chose "just an online
» » » advertising commission" and not a hardcore judge?
» »
» » ---------------------------------------
» » because its cheaper and they are incompetents, lol.
»
» Guys, there you can clearly see Spanish Dud's IQ ... :-D




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Iron_Man

13.04.2011, 17:30

@ Spanish Dude

HT-Forum

 

» » » 7. There was no trial, no court, no judge, and no proof.
» Just
» » an online
» » » advertising commission that proved nothing. How
» about
» » that? Iron_Man,
» » » roger_that, Stevie.Dee, Suddenly you don't talk about this anymore,
» eh?
» »
» » So why did the plaintiffs (logically not Gho) chose "just an online
» » advertising commission" and not a hardcore judge?
» » [image]
»
» ---------------------------------------
» because its cheaper and they are incompetents, lol.

Guys, there you can clearly see Spanish Dud's IQ ... :-D




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13.04.2011, 17:21

@ Iron_Man

HT-Forum

 

» » 7. There was no trial, no court, no judge, and no proof. Just
» an online
» » advertising commission that proved nothing. How about
» that? Iron_Man,
» » roger_that, Stevie.Dee, Suddenly you don't talk about this anymore, eh?
»
» So why did the plaintiffs (logically not Gho) chose "just an online
» advertising commission" and not a hardcore judge?
» [image]


because its cheaper and they are incompetents, lol.




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Spanish Dude

13.04.2011, 17:19

@ Iron_Man

Furthermore: its a female patient with no alopecia--meaning donor area is bigger

 

The woman on the video is not the woman we are dealing with.

» » So, it is very possible (and logical) that Gho
» harvested those 3858 grafts
» » dispersely across all the available areas, not just the back of the
» head.
»
»
» Behind "KZ" is a real person - and this REAL person is fully aware about
» these photos and where Dr. Gho and Dr. Neumann published these photos.
» Also, other doctors and medical centers who threat these burn victims are
» FULLY aware about their patients as well as about when, where and which
» treatment they got from Dr. Gho - and about the results too. In short, such
» patients are well-known in the medical field! Such patients
» don't look like any Chinese in China!
»
» Does the women in the video look like a Chinese women in China?
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDb1n_XdpLo&feature=related




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Iron_Man

13.04.2011, 17:19

@ Spanish Dude

HT-Forum

 

» 7. There was no trial, no court, no judge, and no proof. Just an online
» advertising commission that proved nothing. How about that? Iron_Man,
» roger_that, Stevie.Dee, Suddenly you don't talk about this anymore, eh?

So why did the plaintiffs (logically not Gho) chose "just an online advertising commission" and not a hardcore judge?
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13.04.2011, 17:05

@ Stevie.Dee

HT-Forum

 

Stevie.Dee aka Leeroy.Jenkins:

1. Please, follow the thread structure correctly. You are replying in the wrong place.
2. This woman has a lot of hair on the sides, and because she doesn't suffer male alopecia, you can harvest higher on the back, and higher on the sides. IMO you can harvest 300cm2 on her. Lets consider 200cm2. 3858 grafts on 200cm2 results in less than 20 grafts/cm2.
3. It is clear that the before and after photos don't show the same donor area. The after picture shows a donor area that is much higher. This is totally misleading.
4. So it is very possible that Gho not just used 2 diferent donor areas in the back of the head, but also used donor areas on the sides of the head
and these are not shown in the photos.

5. You, (Stevie.Dee) and Iron_Man were trumpeting these photos as proof of donor regeneration, saying that Gho had extracted 3858 grafts from a 15x5cm area (75cm2). Well, it seems that the harvested area is probably closer to, lets say, 200cm2, instead. So, things change totally, don't you think?

6. So you can tame 3mm-short beard hairs using water, eh? sorry but I don't agree at all. And anyway, I say it again. Look at the long hairs on the left side. They are hanging freely, so there is no strong gel forcing the hairs against their will.

7. There was no trial, no court, no judge, and no proof. Just an online Advertising Commission that proved nothing. How about that? Iron_Man, roger_that, Stevie.Dee, Suddenly you don't talk about this anymore, eh?

» Nope you dont understand. it doesnt matter what stuff you pull out of your
» as* it still remains WRONG. Just plain Wrong.
»
» Even women have to live wit hthinning hair in the vertex area.
»
» And right they use hair from the vertex are to transplant it 2cm to the
» left. You are just ridiculous and utterly stupid. You dont critizise the
» technique you criticize pictures.
»
» So then Explain to all of Us WHY HST cannot work. Why is this
» according to you impossible?
»
» @matigol : We are not speaking about Acell
»
» PS : I know what you guys are up to, you both hate "surgical" procedures
» thats why you guys keep attacking those kind of things.
»
» You are wrong with water or a fluid you can tame even 3mm hairs. You can
» even tame your beard if its 3mm, and those are thicker hairs.
»
» You are just stupid thats all, you dont have any clues about anything and
» always come up with some " This person is a liar" stories. And if
» everything else fails you call me Leeroy Jenkins. You are ridiculous.
»
» I bet you didnt even read the scientific paper or asked some guys who study
» cell biology.
»
» I bet my as* if one Graft at Gho would cost 1 dollar SpanishDude and
» matigol would praise Gho all around




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Iron_Man

13.04.2011, 16:57

@ Spanish Dude

Furthermore: its a female patient with no alopecia--meaning donor area is bigger

 

» So, it is very possible (and logical) that Gho harvested those 3858 grafts
» dispersely across all the available areas, not just the back of the head.


Behind "KZ" is a real person - and this REAL person is fully aware about these photos and where Dr. Gho and Dr. Neumann published these photos. Also, other doctors and medical centers who threat these burn victims are FULLY aware about their patients as well as about when, where and which treatment they got from Dr. Gho - and about the results too. In short, such patients are well-known in the medical field! Such patients don't look like any Chinese in China!

Does the women in the video look like a Chinese women in China?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDb1n_XdpLo&feature=related




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13.04.2011, 16:13

@ Spanish Dude

HT-Forum

 

Nope you dont understand. it doesnt matter what stuff you pull out of your as* it still remains WRONG. Just plain Wrong.

Even women have to live wit hthinning hair in the vertex area.

And right they use hair from the vertex are to transplant it 2cm to the left. You are just ridiculous and utterly stupid. You dont critizise the technique you criticize pictures.

So then Explain to all of Us WHY HST cannot work. Why is this according to you impossible?

@matigol : We are not speaking about Acell

PS : I know what you guys are up to, you both hate "surgical" procedures thats why you guys keep attacking those kind of things.

You are wrong with water or a fluid you can tame even 3mm hairs. You can even tame your beard if its 3mm, and those are thicker hairs.

You are just stupid thats all, you dont have any clues about anything and always come up with some " This person is a liar" stories. And if everything else fails you call me Leeroy Jenkins. You are ridiculous.

I bet you didnt even read the scientific paper or asked some guys who study cell biology.

I bet my as* if one Graft at Gho would cost 1 dollar SpanishDude and matigol would praise Gho all around




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13.04.2011, 16:10

@ GoGiants1

The direction is not due to gels

 

» » So, according to Iron_Man, in the "before" photo the hairs are oriented
» » vertically because Gho applied some sort of "gel"? Now, that must be a
» very
» » strong gel to fix those very little hairs, don't you think?
»
» No, I think you can make those hairs go in one direction even after the
» application of water, gel could certainly do it in my mind.

I disagree. You can't tame a 3mm long shaft so easily. Besides, in the same before foto you can see the long hairs that are on the left, next to them, and you see thet they are hanging freely, so it doesn't seem to be any special "forcing fluid".




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13.04.2011, 15:57

@ matigol

HT-Forum

 

» » The only question remaining here is,
»
»
» There are far more questions remaining:
»
» Where is the proof that Acell can grow a single hair(not fur)?
» Why arent HT-"docs" like Hitzing, Cooley, Gho not able to take a single
» professional photo?
» Why don`t we discuss this stuff in th HT-Forum?

I will post my findings in the HT forum later.




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13.04.2011, 15:55

@ Stevie.Dee

Furthermore: its a female patient with no alopecia--meaning donor area is bigger

 

» Ok now you are getting ridicolous, Gho and co clearly stated that even
» women their hair on top can thin out over time.

In this case, its not even the TOP, which is burnt btw and is going to receive grafts.
Anyway, the truth is that most women don't suffer significant alopecia, and so, they don't have to restrict themselves to the back of the head for DHT resistant grafts.
In a male patient who has alopecia, you clearly have to harvest from a DHT resistant area that is limited. But in a female patient who has no alopecia (and this female patient has no alopecia, but she is bald because of a burn accident), you don't have that restriction and you can use a more extensive donor area. Not necessarily on the top, but you can go higher on the back and on the sides. Is that so difficult to understand?

»
» Also if they would have grabbed the hair from all around the head
» (ridicolus) they would have totally shaved the womans head.

You just need to shave the particular area that you are going to harvest in a session.




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GoGiants1

13.04.2011, 15:33

@ Spanish Dude

The direction is not due to gels

 

» So, according to Iron_Man, in the "before" photo the hairs are oriented
» vertically because Gho applied some sort of "gel"? Now, that must be a very
» strong gel to fix those very little hairs, don't you think?

No, I think you can make those hairs go in one direction even after the application of water, gel could certainly do it in my mind.



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Stevie.Dee

13.04.2011, 15:27

@ Spanish Dude

Furthermore: its a female patient with no alopecia--meaning donor area is bigger

 

Ok now you are getting ridicolous, Gho and co clearly stated that even women their hair on top can thin out over time.

Also if they would have grabbed the hair from all around the head (ridicolus) they would have totally shaved the womans head.




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matigol

13.04.2011, 15:23

@ Stevie.Dee

HT-Forum

 

» The only question remaining here is,


There are far more questions remaining:

Where is the proof that Acell can grow a single hair(not fur)?
Why arent HT-"docs" like Hitzing, Cooley, Gho not able to take a single professional photo?
Why don`t we discuss this stuff in th HT-Forum?




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Spanish Dude

13.04.2011, 15:08

@ Spanish Dude

Furthermore: its a female patient with no alopecia--meaning donor area is bigger

 

The patient is in fact a female. A female burn victim suppossedly with no alopecia.
This means that all non-burnt areas are good for harvesting. All non-burnt areas can be used as donor. Not just the back of the head.
So, it is very possible (and logical) that Gho harvested those 3858 grafts dispersely across all the available areas, not just the back of the head.
As a result, the donor areas got just slightly depleted.
Lets supposse the total harvestable donor is 300cm2. Then, 3858 grafts distributed across all this big donor area results in less than 13 grafts/cm2 which is a very low impact and barely noticeable. The donor area results almost unaffected.


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» Dr. Gho has published an article in the "Burns" Journal, regarding his HST
» method of "hair multiplication". The article was accepted on Sept-2010.
»
» In this article, Dr. Gho shows before and after photos of a patient who
» underwent the HST technique.
»
» These photos are supposed to prove that the donor area regenerates after
» extraction of 3858 grafts.
»
» But when you look closely, you see that in the after photo:
» -hairs grow in different direction.
» -and the bandage fits against the head in a different angle.




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