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HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic
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This is in response to Stevie.Dee's thread for a more proactive approach to the never ending mystery surrounding Dr. Gho's stem cell hair transplant technique:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88233-page-0-order-last_answer-category-1.html


We will consider arranging a 50-graft free trial for one of HairSite's members with Dr. Gho's clinic. That is not a problem at all. The real challenge is scientific, objective, and independently verifiable documentation.


If someone is able to come up with an OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE protocol that can prove, conclusively and definitively with scientific hair count to ascertain whether Dr. Gho's HST tecnhique works and to what extent it works, we will gladly arrange a free trial with Dr. Gho's clinic for one of HairSite's members. **


We are not interested in the trial patient's casual observations and amateur photo documentation regardless of how often he reports back to the forum. We have been through this many times already over the years. Always the same problem: how is anyone going to prove donor regeneration objectively with hair count when the majority of the patients still have a fair amount of hair in the donor? How do you distinguish your native hair from those derived from the regeneration process?


In the end, we want to know the following:

1) Percentage of regeneration in the donor site - with hair count,
2) The yield of healthy terminal hairs in the recipient site - with hair count

Feel free to put forth your comments or suggestions.

If you wish to be considered for this trial, please go to this link
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88437-page-0-order-time-category-1.html



Note:
** free trial is strictly for 50 grafts only and does NOT cover cost of transportation, airfare, hotel, food or any incidental costs or expenses associated with the hair transplant procedure. We also need some assurance that the person will not get the free grafts and disappear.





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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 00:44

@ HairSite

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

This is right on target. Thanks to HairSite for clearly assessing this issue and providing a solution that will benefit all of us.

I propose that the person who is tested be as bald as possible over most of his scalp (i.e., like a NW6 or NW7), but still have significant, healthy hair in the donor area. (The best balding pattern would be something like Prince Albert of Monaco.)

Also, he should not be a prior HT patient or have scarring or fibrous tissue from previous surgery.

The donor follicles should be restricted to a very clearly circumscribed area on the back of his head, say, a circle the diameter of a U.S. quarter (25 cent) coin, or two of these regions on the back of his scalp. This donor zone or zones should be clearly marked, either with couple of small dots or brackets, or positioned by landmarks.

Meticulous "Before" photos should be taken under excellent lighting conditions, with clear reference to landmarks, using rulers marked in centimeters and millimeters to firmly establish the exact position and size of the donor area.

The HST grafts should be transplanted into a clearly slick-bald area. If the patient is reluctant to have a hairy patch sitting alone among a big bald area, the hairs can be distributed (separated) apart somewhat, so that they are not as obvious, but still very easy to count.

I am not volunteering for this, because I don't have any completely bald areas. Even the most thin areas on my scalp still have lots of visible terminal hairs (just quite thin), so I wouldn't be a good trial candidate for this test.

But thanks to HairSite for providing an excellent proposal!




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whynot

08.07.2011, 01:12

@ roger_that

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

VERY NICE!

I too am a bad candidate, NW2 now after FUE 3 years ago. I think we're all on the same page here and have a pretty good idea what needs to be done. Many have rant and raved about banning together, me included. Well, HERE IT IS! At least for one project....

So we have FUNDING, a FORUM, all we're missing is one brave bald soul...

This candidate must be willing to photo document everything. In a sense like a reality show. Basically, this person will be famous in our community (maybe beyond, you never know about these things) for proving or disproving one of the boldest claims in hair restoration. HM


HOLY COW THIS IS EXCITING!!!!




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 01:21

@ whynot

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

This is a great offer by Hairsite. The problem is going to be the photographic documentation - people are likely to bitch about it whatever that person does, they are not going to have an easy time and I don't envy them.

Can I suggest that the chosen candidate goes to Hairsite for the photographic recording of each step so that it can be done to the satisfaction of all. Even if a few still bitch they can hardly claim that it is biased so it steals their thunder. Hairsite do you have the facilities to do this ?




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Franklin

08.07.2011, 01:25

@ Skywalker

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

Skywalker great idea.




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 02:00

@ Franklin

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

Thanks Hairsite for pushing my thread and idea forward. This is beneficial to all of us and will finally put an end to endless discussion.

Here is what i would prefer and what i would call sufficient.

The patient who will undergo this treatment

1) Should get his whole donor area measured by different clinic reps or clinics, so that we can have at least a count in specific areas

2) Should have acces to an USB microscope and a person who is willing to cartograph the whole donor area. Yea the whole donor area

3) Should ask Gho or his clinical stuff to ink the area where his hair is extracted.

4) Should be a person WITHOUT any health conditions like diabetes (because diseases like that are often correlated to an not so good healing capacity)

5) Should give us a weekly update on the growth in the recipient area (we can see if those hairs grow from day one like said)

6) And a monthly update on the donor site

7) Should wear his hair pretty short to evaluate the donor regrowth

The key is, we need it well documented and NO " It feels full" stuff. Just plain hard pictures.

Also the person who undergoes this treatment SHOULD be a person who is capable to communicate with other people here.

PS: Btw guys now you can finally see why my persistant BE PROACTIVE is important




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 02:20

@ Stevie.Dee

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

Stevie, who is going to have the facilities to do what you require ? Hardly anybody and if they do have such facilities it is extremely unlikely that 570 Euros is an amount that is going to tempt them to change whatever plans they originally had.

I'm obviously not against the idea and if such a person turns up then great, I just think you are being very optimistic indeed in thinking that such requirements can be met (or will even be considered) by the average HT candidate.

Oh by the way, I want to add my point, if we are not satisfied with his efforts he must return the 570 Euros plus interest and have previously signed a contract so that we can legally lynch him.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 02:23

@ Stevie.Dee

Bravo! This is the best Idea I've heard ever on HairSite, or anywhere else!

Agree with all.




» Thanks Hairsite for pushing my thread and idea forward. This is beneficial
» to all of us and will finally put an end to endless discussion.
»
» Here is what i would prefer and what i would call sufficient.
»
» The patient who will undergo this treatment
»
» 1) Should get his whole donor area measured by different clinic reps or
» clinics, so that we can have at least a count in specific areas
»
» 2) Should have acces to an USB microscope and a person who is willing to
» cartograph the whole donor area. Yea the whole donor area
»
» 3) Should ask Gho or his clinical stuff to ink the area where his hair is
» extracted.
»
» 4) Should be a person WITHOUT any health conditions like diabetes (because
» diseases like that are often correlated to an not so good healing
» capacity)
»
» 5) Should give us a weekly update on the growth in the recipient area (we
» can see if those hairs grow from day one like said)
»
» 6) And a monthly update on the donor site
»
» 7) Should wear his hair pretty short to evaluate the donor regrowth
»
» The key is, we need it well documented and NO " It feels full" stuff. Just
» plain hard pictures.
»
» Also the person who undergoes this treatment SHOULD be a person who is
» capable to communicate with other people here.
»
» PS: Btw guys now you can finally see why my persistant BE PROACTIVE is
» important




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email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.

reiner

08.07.2011, 02:42

@ HairSite

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this whole thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If Gho's hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he would have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of money by now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily done 50 grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and proven his worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt have any solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not see that?




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samt23

08.07.2011, 02:49

@ reiner

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this whole
» thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If Gho's
» hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he would
» have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of money by
» now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily done 50
» grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and proven his
» worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt have any
» solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not see that?

I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have heard about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.

Just look at his face and the way he speaks, he's full of sh*t just like Rassman in my opinion. Everything for some extra bucks from desperate clients !




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 02:56

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Other established Drs will not take up Dr Gho's procedure because he will charge them - there is also an ego thing and it upsets their cosy HT business model. Dr Gho is booked up solid, and now he is getting rookie doctors to pay 50k USD for a turnkey solution that they can then take away to a clinic in their own town.

This whole thing is a little reminiscent of what happened with Dr Woods and FUE. I don't know it works, but my gut feel is that it probably does, and the way he is proceeding is consistent with somebody who is a scientist, crap at sales, and only slowly starting to mass market his invention.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 02:56

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have heard
» about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.


Maintenant je sais que tu es vraiment francais, parce ce que tu as ecrit le mot "revolutionnary" avec deux n's...




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whynot

08.07.2011, 02:58

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this whole
» » thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If
» Gho's
» » hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he would
» » have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of money
» by
» » now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily done
» 50
» » grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and proven
» his
» » worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt have
» any
» » solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not see
» that?
»
» I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have heard
» about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
»
» Just look at his face and the way he speaks, he's full of sh*t just like
» Rassman in my opinion. Everything for some extra bucks from desperate
» clients !

This whole thread is prove just that! to uncover if its a sc*m or not. Is english ur second language? Stay on point read the whole thing.




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samt23

08.07.2011, 03:05

@ roger_that

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have
» heard
» » about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
»
»
» Maintenant je sais que tu es vraiment francais, parce ce que tu as ecrit le
» mot "revolutionnary" avec deux n's...

Pourquoi j'aurais faker d'être français ? J'ai jamais prétendu maitriser la langue de Shakespeare comme un dieu. By the way, je suis canadien français.




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samt23

08.07.2011, 03:06

@ whynot

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » » I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this
» whole
» » » thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If
» » Gho's
» » » hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he
» would
» » » have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of
» money
» » by
» » » now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily
» done
» » 50
» » » grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and proven
» » his
» » » worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt have
» » any
» » » solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not see
» » that?
» »
» » I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have
» heard
» » about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
» »
» » Just look at his face and the way he speaks, he's full of sh*t just like
» » Rassman in my opinion. Everything for some extra bucks from desperate
» » clients !
»
» This whole thread is prove just that! to uncover if its a sc*m or not. Is
» english ur second language? Stay on point read the whole thing.

Yes it is, and it doesn't prevent me from sharing my opinion.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 03:07

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » » I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have
» » heard
» » » about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
» »
» »
» » Maintenant je sais que tu es vraiment francais, parce ce que tu as ecrit
» le
» » mot "revolutionnary" avec deux n's...
»
» Pourquoi j'aurais faker d'être français ? J'ai jamais prétendu maitriser la
» langue de Shakespeare comme un dieu. By the way, je suis canadien français.

Bien sur, ca je savais parce que tu n'es pas dormant a cette heure!




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samt23

08.07.2011, 03:10

@ roger_that

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » » » I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have
» » » heard
» » » » about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
» » »
» » »
» » » Maintenant je sais que tu es vraiment francais, parce ce que tu as
» ecrit
» » le
» » » mot "revolutionnary" avec deux n's...
» »
» » Pourquoi j'aurais faker d'être français ? J'ai jamais prétendu maitriser
» la
» » langue de Shakespeare comme un dieu. By the way, je suis canadien
» français.
»
» Bien sur, ca je savais parce que tu n'es pas dormant a cette heure!

Il est 20:09 où je suis, alors c'est évident que non.




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whynot

08.07.2011, 03:13

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » » » I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this
» » whole
» » » » thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If
» » » Gho's
» » » » hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he
» » would
» » » » have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of
» » money
» » » by
» » » » now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily
» » done
» » » 50
» » » » grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and
» proven
» » » his
» » » » worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt
» have
» » » any
» » » » solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not
» see
» » » that?
» » »
» » » I'm with you. If that was such a revolutionnary thing, we would have
» » heard
» » » about it on the news ... it's just freakin' bullsh*t if you ask me.
» » »
» » » Just look at his face and the way he speaks, he's full of sh*t just
» like
» » » Rassman in my opinion. Everything for some extra bucks from desperate
» » » clients !
» »
» » This whole thread is prove just that! to uncover if its a sc*m or not.
» Is
» » english ur second language? Stay on point read the whole thing.
»
» Yes it is, and it doesn't prevent me from sharing my opinion.


Sure you do but we’re past the point of whether we or you believe dr. gho’s method or not.

This thread is now geared towards how we’re going to prove it.




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samt23

08.07.2011, 03:15

@ whynot

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Yes and I'm looking forward to see the results. I'll have all the respect in the world for the guy who's actually going to test it for the community.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 03:17

@ samt23

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» Yes and I'm looking forward to see the results. I'll have all the respect
» in the world for the guy who's actually going to test it for the community.

I would suggest someone already living in Europe, so there isn't a big expense for airfare, etc. Remember, the person would have to be examined regularly by Dr. Gho after the procedure. Meaning multiple trips to his clinic in Amsterdam or London.




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whynot

08.07.2011, 03:18

@ whynot

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» Sure you do but we’re past the point of whether we or you believe dr. gho’s
» method or not.
»
» This thread is now geared towards how we’re going to prove it.

We're looking for a volunteer to receive 50 graphs and clearly photo document the experience. And to prove undoubtedly if it works!




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Khalil

08.07.2011, 04:17

@ whynot

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

This is what people want to see as conclusive proof

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/136593-1-euro-per-graft-strip-2-euro-fue-8.html

45 double-hair grafts are placed in 1 sq cm and density of 89 hairs in was achieved:

[image]

100 grafts (70 double-hair and 30 single-hair FU) are placed in 1.0 sq cm and 156 hairs grew up:

[image]

Getting detailed report about grafts quantity from assistants during each operation:

[image]




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Leonard

08.07.2011, 04:22

@ HairSite

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

I fully support this and would be very interested to see the outcome. I would also suggest that we have another Hairsite member (aside from the subject) to document the experience to ensure impartiality.

I went to see Dr. Gho in September last year for a consultation. My sincere apologies for not reporting back earlier. One of my good friends passed away and for a while I stopped thinking about hair.

Anyway, here are my impressions of Gho and his clinic from my visit.

(A) Gho is not the only doctor who makes the infinite donor regeneration claim, there are at least two other doctors in his clinic who make this claim. In the Netherlands, if you make deliberately misleading medical claim you can lose your license to practice medicine. If Gho was the sole doctor making this claim, I could believe that he could be a quack, but there are at least two other doctors making this claim.

(B) Gho seems genuine to me. I have spent much of my career dealing with dishonest salesmen -- I worked in finance in a former life -- and I can usually tell if someone is lying. Gho strikes me as honest. Keep in mind that English is his second language and he struggles with vocabulary at times. I say this because people misconstrue his pauses mid speech and his hesitation when answering questions as evidence of his treachery. It is not. He just needs time to search for the right words in English.

On the other hand --

(C) Gho did not provide me with photographic evidence when I asked for hit, his reason being patient-doctor confidentiality. He simply referred me to his academic paper.

Item (C) is the only missing piece of the puzzle for me. I am therefore fully supportive of this initiative and I thank Hairsite and the eventual volunteer for their time and effort.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 04:25

@ Khalil

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Right. But we already know FUE works.

We want to see something like that, except with Gho's HST procedure. (Also, for Hitzig's ACell procedures, plucking procedures, etc.) All these procedures claim in some way to be multiplying hair, so we need conclusive evidence of that.




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Khalil

08.07.2011, 04:34

@ roger_that

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Sorry, I just used the FUE image as example of what the Gho procedure analysis should be like.

--------------------------------------

What the procedure should be like

50 hairs/hst implanted into a shiny bald area using the Gho HST so we can conclusively see how much grow back.


The tricky part will be seeing if the 50 hairs grow back in the donor area, and if they do, are they the same follicular units? For example if the HST extractions take stem cells from a 3 haired follicular unit from the donor area and what grows back is a single haired follicular unit then there was a net loss of two hairs.




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Iron_Man

08.07.2011, 05:00

@ reiner

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I want to believe that gho has something, i really do but now this whole
» thing just doesnt make sense anymore. How many years has it been? If Gho's
» hair transplant can really multiply hairs, don't you guys think he would
» have proven this to the whole world and sitting on a boat load of money by
» now? Gho has his own clinic and facilities, he could have easily done 50
» grafts on his staff and monitored the whole thing to death and proven his
» worth by now, the fact that after all these years he still doesnt have any
» solid proof is a huge red flag in my oopinion, how can anyone not see that?

Are you frightened? If so, you’re not alone – the whole HT industry IS already frightened.

btw – why didn’t those clinics, who sued Dr. Gho due to his “hair multiplication” claims on his website, simply send one of their patients (aka “double agent”) to Dr. Gho for a 50-HST-graft procedure, as offered by Dr. Gho?

Everything what they had in their hands was the claim “it can’t work [hopefully]!”.
FURTHERMORE, I guess most (former) HST patients knew about the lawsuit against Dr. Gho. Why didn’t none of these patients offered their help to discredit Dr. Gho? Why couldn’t these clinics find any dissatisfied patients? Some of those clinics made wildly claims on hair loss boards about Dr. Gho and/or patients. Why didn’t they use all their “proofs” for the lawsuit? Again, everything they had was "it can't work!".

All in all - that’s the reason why they lost TWICE.




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Iron_Man

08.07.2011, 05:20

@ Iron_Man

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

09/17/2002 05:13 PM – Quote Dr. Bernstein:
"If Dr. Woods' procedure were "the best transplantation system in the world" as he claims, myself and many other physicians would take great pains to learn it."

Paahhhh!!!




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GoGiants1

08.07.2011, 07:56

@ HairSite

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic
» ========================================================================
»
» This is in response to Stevie.Dee's thread for a more proactive approach to
» the never ending mystery surrounding Dr. Gho's stem cell hair transplant
» technique:
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88233-page-0-order-last_answer-category-1.html
»
»
»
» We will consider arranging a 50-graft free trial for one of HairSite's
» members with Dr. Gho's clinic. That is not a problem at all. The real
» challenge is scientific, objective, and independently verifiable
» documentation
.
»
»
» If someone is able to come up with an OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY
» VERIFIABLE protocol that can prove, conclusively and definitively with
» scientific hair count to ascertain whether Dr. Gho's HST tecnhique
» works and to what extent it works, we will gladly arrange a free trial with
» Dr. Gho's clinic for one of HairSite's members. **
»
»
» We are not interested in the trial patient's casual observations and
» amateur photo documentation regardless of how often he reports back to the
» forum. We have been through this many times already over the years. Always
» the same problem: how is anyone going to prove donor regeneration
» objectively with hair count when the majority of the patients still have a
» fair amount of hair in the donor? How do you distinguish your native hair
» from those derived from the regeneration process?
»
»
» In the end, we want to know the following:
»
» 1) Percentage of regeneration in the donor site - with hair count,
» 2) The yield of healthy terminal hairs in the recipient site - with hair
» count
»
» Feel free to put forth your comments or suggestions.
»
»
»
» Note:
» ** free trial is strictly for 50 grafts only
» and does NOT cover cost of transportation, airfare, hotel, food or any
» incidental costs or expenses associated with the hair transplant procedure.
» .


I would test it and go but I can't just fly to Europe and get a procedure done regrettably, does anyone live nearby his office? I tried to get Cole to do a similar test with me and he stopped responding to my request, I assume he is testing it on a lot of patients so I guess it makes sense that he didn't take me in as a test patient.



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damraak

08.07.2011, 08:58

@ GoGiants1

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Gogiants, is Cole testing HST too? I thought he is only testing Acell and PRP, this is the first time I heard about him doing Gho's HST.


»
» I would test it and go but I can't just fly to Europe and get a procedure
» done regrettably, does anyone live nearby his office? I tried to get Cole
» to do a similar test with me and he stopped responding to my request, I
» assume he is testing it on a lot of patients so I guess it makes sense that
» he didn't take me in as a test patient.




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 11:34

@ damraak

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» Gogiants, is Cole testing HST too? I thought he is only testing Acell and
» PRP, this is the first time I heard about him doing Gho's HST.
»
»
» »
» » I would test it and go but I can't just fly to Europe and get a
» procedure
» » done regrettably, does anyone live nearby his office? I tried to get
» Cole
» » to do a similar test with me and he stopped responding to my request, I
» » assume he is testing it on a lot of patients so I guess it makes sense
» that
» » he didn't take me in as a test patient.

Ok now we are looking for someone from europe. I am not voting for Iron.Man because he is really to attached, also i am not for SpanishDude because he is more of a "i bash everything i can only to be the star of the day"

GoGiant can you become european citizen ;-)

Can all the people raise their hands, who are living in europe?

I live in Hamburg anyone else living in europe, germany or elsewhere close to the netherlands.




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hairman2

08.07.2011, 11:54

@ Stevie.Dee

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » Gogiants, is Cole testing HST too? I thought he is only testing Acell
» and
» » PRP, this is the first time I heard about him doing Gho's HST.
» »
» »
» » »
» » » I would test it and go but I can't just fly to Europe and get a
» » procedure
» » » done regrettably, does anyone live nearby his office? I tried to get
» » Cole
» » » to do a similar test with me and he stopped responding to my request,
» I
» » » assume he is testing it on a lot of patients so I guess it makes sense
» » that
» » » he didn't take me in as a test patient.
»
» Ok now we are looking for someone from europe. I am not voting for Iron.Man
» because he is really to attached, also i am not for SpanishDude because he
» is more of a "i bash everything i can only to be the star of the day"
»
» GoGiant can you become european citizen ;-)
»
» Can all the people raise their hands, who are living in europe?
»
» I live in Hamburg anyone else living in europe, germany or elsewhere close
» to the netherlands.


you are probably right about Iron_Man specially because it would place us at the mercy of a crazy person.

also.. i really think some sort of "hair club" with a small monthly membership fee would be an excellent way of raising money for more such small (diy) experiments.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 12:11

@ hairman2

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

I still think the documentation process is being glossed over, how is this HT candidate going to document it as described ? Hairsite has not responded to my suggestion that they get involved in the documentation process so I assume the poor guy who volunteers is on his own.

It would probably cost exponentially more in transportation costs and time to get access to the facilities (which won't be free even if they are available) before during and after the process to document it than the 570 Euros being talked about - and regardless of how much effort they put in they will get interminable grief from some on this board who claim they didn't do enough to satisfy them.

A massive amount of wishful thinking seems to be going on here without addressing any of the practicalities. Everybody assumes 'somebody else' is going to step up and do this - it's ridiculously naive.




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 12:19

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I still think the documentation process is being glossed over, how is this
» HT candidate going to document it as described ? Hairsite has not
» responded to my suggestion that they get involved in the documentation
» process so I assume the poor guy who volunteers is on his own.
»
» It would probably cost exponentially more in transportation costs and time
» to get access to the facilities (which won't be free even if they are
» available) before during and after the process to document it than the 570
» Euros being talked about - and regardless of how much effort they put in
» they will get interminable grief from some on this board who claim they
» didn't do enough to satisfy them.
»
» A massive amount of wishful thinking seems to be going on here without
» addressing any of the practicalities. Everybody assumes 'somebody else' is
» going to step up and do this - it's ridiculously naive.

Ahhh just shut up. Hair Site offered it and doesnt response to you because this test has to be unbiased, and clinics are advertising here so they know WE have to do it ourselves, which is fair.

No its not that the transportation costs that much. We only need someone who is from europe and is willing to do it. I see people here blew out 150 bucks for assassin b so i think people here dont have a problem to pay 20 euros for a train to the hasci clinic and back afterwards

But yeah lets downtalk everything and never get an answer.




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hairman2

08.07.2011, 12:20

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I still think the documentation process is being glossed over, how is this
» HT candidate going to document it as described ? Hairsite has not
» responded to my suggestion that they get involved in the documentation
» process so I assume the poor guy who volunteers is on his own.
»
» It would probably cost exponentially more in transportation costs and time
» to get access to the facilities (which won't be free even if they are
» available) before during and after the process to document it than the 570
» Euros being talked about - and regardless of how much effort they put in
» they will get interminable grief from some on this board who claim they
» didn't do enough to satisfy them.
»
» A massive amount of wishful thinking seems to be going on here without
» addressing any of the practicalities. Everybody assumes 'somebody else' is
» going to step up and do this - it's ridiculously naive.


very true.. the problem is that HairSite expects some trustworthy documentation rather than some amateur photographs etc.

perhaps the candidate can speak to a HT surgeon near him and request his local surgeon to perform some photographic messures and haircounts.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 12:34

@ hairman2

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

"No its not that the transportation costs that much. We only need someone who is from europe and is willing to do it. "
================================================

Well then you do it Stevie, the bit from Europe is a cop out, travelling in Europe is prohibitively expensive so the difference to fly over will not be significant. It will be perfectly simple to evaluate the recipient area even with previous hair if it is inked as suggested - just like the donor area.

I pointed out the issues to actually getting something done but you just want to keep dreaming.




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 13:14

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» A massive amount of wishful thinking seems to be going on here without
» addressing any of the practicalities. Everybody assumes 'somebody else' is
» going to step up and do this - it's ridiculously naive.


You're inflating the costs. Some documentation of this is important, but we don't need to have a HairSite papparazzi shadow the guy for three months with cameras.

Why should we not trust this person who is volunteering? It sounds as if you think he'd have some motivation to lie, or that HairSite would stage a phony treatment and fake the results.

It's quite simple; the hair will either grow or it won't (both donor and recipient).

All that's needed to demonstrate that is a couple of photographic sessions with good equipment and lighting. We don't need to throw thousands of dollars at it.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 13:21

@ roger_that

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

"Why should we not trust this person who is volunteering? It sounds as if you think he'd have some motivation to lie, or that HairSite would stage a phony treatment and fake the results."
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roger_that,
I find this an amusing statement, I am arguing that the requirements are too onerous and expensive, and that yes, we should give some trust to the person contracted to do it.
Anyway, I really hope you're right, I look forward to you finding this person, if it is as easy as you suggest we should have them ready to go within the week.




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 13:23

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» roger_that,
» great, I really hope you're right, I look forward
» to you finding this person, if it is as easy as you suggest we should have
» them ready to go within the week.

I dont do it because people here have doubts about me and i respect that.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 13:27

@ Stevie.Dee

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Stevie, I don't see why you would not be honest about it - but anyway apparently my concerns are wrong and it is going to be really easy to get somebody to do this so it doesn't matter :-)




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roger_that

MARYLAND,
08.07.2011, 13:35

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» I am arguing that the requirements are
» too onerous and expensive,


Too onerous and expensive for what? For whom?

And who made you the person who decides what the "requirements" are?

This is getting really weird, Skywalker.

It's a simple offer by HairSite to pay for 50 HST grafts. It's not like we're paying for someone to have brain surgery here.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 13:43

@ roger_that

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

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"Too onerous and expensive for what? For whom?"
===================================================
For the person doing it of course.

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And who made you the person who decides what the "requirements" are?
===================================================
Good grief, for the requirements stated in the thread above - the ones where you say "Agree with all" - or have you already forgotten that ?

===================================================
This is getting really weird, Skywalker.
===================================================
It is indeed, I think you might be suffering from Alzheimer's :-D




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TonyUK

08.07.2011, 14:00

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Stop the bickering children and let's get this sorted.....

Firstly,it's not reasonable to ask the volunteer to pay his own travel
expenses,there will be enough interest here for a small donation to be
made by members to cover this.

Paypal is probably the best medium, with members simply posting their transaction number and amount to prove it's been sent to whichever designated account is chosen.

In an ideal world it would be best if Hairsite agreed to be banker and to purchase what's required.

First things first though, does the majority agree this is the best way forward?

If and when this is agreed we can then move onto the trickier task of selecting the volunteer.

So is it YES to donations? or NO to donations?




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 14:31

@ TonyUK

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Before we collect money or stuff, we have to see potential candidates. Thats the first premise here.

1) Prefered european
2) Significant hair loss
3) NO i repeat NO prior hair transplants

One point though to Skywalker : Sorry you are ridiculous, really you dont want people to pay for their travel expenses? You know why we ask for a european person? Because so the traveling costs areminimized. Also i dont know in which parts of europe you can say traveling is toally Expensive. those claims are just pulled out of your, you know what.

One thing is fine and nice to see here, you can get a hold on all the people who are obvious trolls, because even with this portal offering such a chance, they began to bicker and moan :-)

Even Iron.Man used this thread gaain for his "Everyone is afraid" speech, which was not the matter of debate here.

I want this to work as smooth as possible.

People i would recommend

1) Willy
2) GoGiants
3) topcat (only if he wouldnt have a prior transplant so he is excluded)
4) hairman2 (but only because he was the first to chip in 50 Euros if i would have done it)

Besides me as a backup plan, i personally dont trust anyone else.

Excluded at least in my opinion

1) Iron.Man (for obvious reasons, also he had a transplant or multiple before)
2) SpanishDude (he is just Iron.man turned 180 degrees)
3) The whole "Lets buy assassin b" clique
4) No newly registered users which miraculously got registered here since lets say this thread was started
5) Skywalker (here its the same like with SpanishDude)

I think it would be fair if we collect names we trust, so that we can see WHICH persons should be considered.

Also another good point would be, if the person which is choosen will get an appointment in 2012, we could save up some money till then to get more grafts on this person to test, if this is wished for.

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WHat i somehow wish for is simple

1) get this done properly and transparent
2) In case of working, that HairSite will convice the clinics to finally look into it to get a new standard done
3) If that happens i will gladly delete my account here and will never say anaything again because my goal was reached

Come on guys number 3 should be the common goal here for anyone, right :-)




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
08.07.2011, 14:34

@ TonyUK

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

There's no bickering here, I am just pointing out the obstacles that need to be overcome.

As to whether the individual should pay their transport costs - I agree on them being subsidised - but it's a NO to donations from me for a number of reasons, not because I am against the idea, the main reason is I am going to book a consultation with HASCI (if they ever respond) off my own bat and if I am a candidate (which with my donor area is uncertain) I will do a 50 follicle test with them myself.

If I am able to proceed with the test I WILL post pictures - although no doubt not to the standard required here :-D




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hairman2

08.07.2011, 14:34

@ TonyUK

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» Stop the bickering children and let's get this sorted.....
»
» Firstly,it's not reasonable to ask the volunteer to pay his own travel
» expenses,there will be enough interest here for a small donation to be
» made by members to cover this.
»
» Paypal is probably the best medium, with members simply posting their
» transaction number and amount to prove it's been sent to whichever
» designated account is chosen.
»
» In an ideal world it would be best if Hairsite agreed to be banker and to
» purchase what's required.
»
» First things first though, does the majority agree this is the best way
» forward?
»
» If and when this is agreed we can then move onto the trickier task of
» selecting the volunteer.
»
» So is it YES to donations? or NO to donations?

we dont even have a volunteer complaining about air travel expenses.. first we need to hear under which circumstances someone would be willing to do this. then we need to figure out how to reasonably satisfy hairsite's demands for documentation.




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hairman2

08.07.2011, 14:36

@ Skywalker

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» It's a [b]NO[/b] to donations from me for a number of reasons, but
» that's not because I am against the idea, the main reason is I am going to
» book a consultation with HASCI (if they ever respond) off my own bat and if
» I am a candidate (which with my donor area is uncertain) I will do a 50
» follicle test with them.
»
» If I am able to proceed with the test I WILL post pictures - although no
» doubt not to the standard required here :-D


even with the very best photographs people will complain.

but perhaps a video recording might also be helpful




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TonyUK

08.07.2011, 14:55

@ hairman2

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» we dont even have a volunteer complaining about air travel expenses...

Hairman2- Nothing was said about anyone complaining,but it is obvious that the costs involved in volunteering will affect the number of volunteers available for selection.

Stevie Dee- The reason we need to decide if the project expenses will be funded is also to encourage more volunteeers, again it is obvious there will be less coming forward if they have to cover costs themselves.




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hairman2

08.07.2011, 15:06

@ TonyUK

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

» » we dont even have a volunteer complaining about air travel expenses...
»
» Hairman2- Nothing was said about anyone complaining,but it is obvious that
» the costs involved in volunteering will affect the number of volunteers
» available for selection.
»
» Stevie Dee- The reason we need to decide if the project expenses will be
» funded is also to encourage more volunteeers, again it is obvious there
» will be less coming forward if they have to cover costs themselves.

you obviously did not get the point i was trying to make..

i mean we first need people who would generally be willing to volunteer, then we can assess their traveling costs and talk about the details.. currently we have are talking about financing without even having candidates who would in theory be willing to try it.


One thing i don't understand about the Gho craze is ... many if not most of us have not ever had a transplant done.. that means we have plenty of donor for traditional FUE which is much cheaper than Gho. Why would we opt for Gho if current options are much more feasible?
The only reason i want to know if Gho works is so that i could plan potential FUE procedures accordingly (i.e. know how much donor i can use up for frontal restoration etc).




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 15:19

@ hairman2

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

I agree with hariman2 here. Its all about planning and also if it works it can be the spark for all clinics to perform this, and therefore we have one standard where it only depends on artistic skill of the surgeon rather then FUE or FUT.

Bring the count on 16.000 Grafts and we are good to go




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TonyUK

08.07.2011, 15:24

@ hairman2

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

.
»
» you obviously did not get the point i was trying to make..
»
» i mean we first need people who would generally be willing to volunteer,
» then we can assess their traveling costs and talk about the details..
» currently we have are talking about financing without even having
» candidates who would in theory be willing to try it.

Ok... in case one of us missing the point the other one is trying to make,

Let's imagine the following scenario:

"Hey Fred, you gonna volunteer for this Gho trial ?.. i think you would be an ideal candidate"
Gee... i don't know Bobby... depends on whether i have to pay for my own expenses or not"




Now do you understand the point i'm trying to make?




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Stevie.Dee

08.07.2011, 15:36

@ TonyUK

HairSite - "HST Hair Stem Cell Transplant" Trial with Dr. Gho's clinic

Can you stop about this stuf, this stuff is right now not debatable. Right now we need people who are willing to do it not in regards to fees for traveling, we just need to know who is willing to.

Btw its typical, and now people here can understand me better, some people are just not getting what we are gonna do here. They come up with everything around besides the real problem.

Hey maybe Godzilla will come by and stomp everything to the ground or what happens if Alines come to earth tomorro, who wanna get a Gho test done then?

You see those things are ridiculous, right now we need users willing to besides anything else. End of story, and now respect that, btw TonyUK i wouldnt vote for you




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